Could somone please explain to us


#1

Greetings in Christ;

Could someone please expalin to us the differences in beliefs between LDS and Mormons?

Some like me, seem to think they “one and the same”, but on another thread it eas shared; “not so.”

God Bless, and thanks,


#2

[quote="PJM, post:1, topic:309557"]
Greetings in Christ;

Could someone please expalin to us the differences in beliefs between LDS and Mormons?

Some like me, seem to think they "one and the same", but on another thread it eas shared; "not so."

God Bless, and thanks,

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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the largest Mormon "denomination" but not the only one. Mormonism includes all churches, movements, and groups that consider Joseph Smith as their founder.

There have been a number of splits among Mormons, so that today it is not a completely unified movement. However, most Mormons are members of the LDS Church, and so this church naturally is what most people think of when they think of Mormonism.


#3

[quote="ltwin, post:2, topic:309557"]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the largest Mormon "denomination" but not the only one. Mormonism includes all churches, movements, and groups that consider Joseph Smith as their founder.

There have been a number of splits among Mormons, so that today it is not a completely unified movement. However, most Mormons are members of the LDS Church, and so this church naturally is what most people think of when they think of Mormonism.

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This. As an example of one of the other groups, remember the Fundamentalist LDS church (FLDS) that caused a stir a few years ago due to its practice of polygamy and child marriage


#4

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latter_Day_Saint_denominations

Hope that helps


#5

[quote="SonCatcher, post:3, topic:309557"]
This. As an example of one of the other groups, remember the Fundamentalist LDS church (FLDS) that caused a stir a few years ago due to its practice of polygamy and child marriage

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Yes. The LDS Church can be considered the "mainstream" of Mormonism. Churches like the FLDS are on the more fundamentalist side of the spectrum and continue to practice polygamy, while churches like the Community of Christ (used to be named the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or RLDS) occupy the liberal spectrum focusing on ecumenism, peace, and justice issues.


#6

The Latter Day Saint movement was a Restorationists movement, parallel to Adventistim and others. "Mormon"comes from their use and acceptance of the Book of Mormon as scripture. Its use was originally deragatory.

With Joseph Smith's death there was a succession crisis. The religion splintered, those who followed Brigham Young have become the group with the most members. This group has the official name of "The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints", often shortened to LDS. Others splintered off later. A list of the churches is here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latter_Day_Saint_movement#Denominations

Colloquially, they are all still called "Mormon", but as has already been pointed out, most people associate the names "Mormon" and "LDS" to the Brighamite group, headquarted in Salt Lake City, Utah. But all the others are certainly, Mormon.


#7

[quote="ltwin, post:5, topic:309557"]
Yes. The LDS Church can be considered the "mainstream" of Mormonism. Churches like the FLDS are on the more fundamentalist side of the spectrum and continue to practice polygamy, while churches like the Community of Christ (used to be named the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or RLDS) occupy the liberal spectrum focusing on ecumenism, peace, and justice issues.

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Careful there. Saying that the Utah LDS is the mainstream will make the RLDS and it's splinter groups very unhappy with you. They see the Brighamites as the apostates.


#8

[quote="RebeccaJ, post:6, topic:309557"]
The Latter Day Saint movement was a Restorationists movement, parallel to Adventistim and others. "Mormon"comes from their use and acceptance of the Book of Mormon as scripture. Its use was originally deragatory.

With Joseph Smith's death there was a succession crisis. The religion splintered, those who followed Brigham Young have become the group with the most members. This group has the official name of "The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints", often shortened to LDS. Others splintered off later. A list of the churches is here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latter_Day_Saint_movement#Denominations

Colloquially, they are all still called "Mormon", but as has already been pointed out, most people associate the names "Mormon" and "LDS" to the Brighamite group, headquarted in Salt Lake City, Utah. But all the others are certainly, Mormon.

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Post #4. Beat ya to it:D:p


#9

Ha! :smiley:


#10

[quote="batman1973, post:7, topic:309557"]
Careful there. Saying that the Utah LDS is the mainstream will make the RLDS and it's splinter groups very unhappy with you. They see the Brighamites as the apostates.

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Bat, to be mainstream you must have a choir and not drink coffee.


#11

Bat, do the smaller Mormon groups all believe in the Book of Abraham as being authentic or do any of them recognize it being a fraud re papyri being an egyptian funeral text?


#12

[quote="batman1973, post:7, topic:309557"]
Careful there. Saying that the Utah LDS is the mainstream will make the RLDS and it's splinter groups very unhappy with you. They see the Brighamites as the apostates.

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I think I read somewhere that the Community of Christ has begun to accept traditional Christian doctrines like the Trinity. Does anyone know anything about that?


#13

[quote="Porknpie, post:11, topic:309557"]
Bat, do the smaller Mormon groups all believe in the Book of Abraham as being authentic or do any of them recognize it being a fraud re papyri being an egyptian funeral text?

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The smaller groups claim that Joseph admitted to "translating" the BoA without the "gift and power of the Holy Spirit". It is therefore rejected. The Book of Abraham was canonized by the Utah Church well after Joe had died. The smaller groups also reject "eternal progression", eternal marriages, baptism for the dead, and other temple rites. The smaller LDS groups admit that at some point there will be baptisms for the dead, but not until the Lord commands it, and from memory serves, it will be done somewhat differently then the way the Mormons do it. The smaller groups do however, agree with the Brighamites in the order and formation of the restored gospel movement. But, there are many night and day differences between the various groups.


#14

[quote="PJM, post:1, topic:309557"]
Greetings in Christ;

Could someone please expalin to us the differences in beliefs between LDS and Mormons?

Some like me, seem to think they "one and the same", but on another thread it eas shared; "not so."

God Bless, and thanks,

[/quote]

In September of 2002, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints attempted to trademark the word "Mormon" for their exclusive use, and to this day the LDS-owned "mormonnewsroom.org" insists on publishing the following in their "style guide" for journalists:

When referring to people or organizations that practice polygamy, the terms "Mormons," "Mormon fundamentalist," "Mormon dissidents," etc. are incorrect. The Associated Press Stylebook notes: "The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other ... churches that resulted from the split after [Joseph] Smith's death."

I believe this note is factually incorrect as the LDS Church lost their Trademark case and were denied a mark on the term "Mormon" in November of 2005. The Federal Government, at least, possibly disagrees with the above statement. They claim that "Mormon" is a generic name and not suitable as a "source" for class 45 services (that is, religious and worship services).

From the USPTO Final Refusal to the class 45 application:

“MORMON” is just such an [generic] indicator. It immediately informs the reader that the religious services provided will be in the style and of the belief system known as “MORMON” as well as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The LDS church has since revived the mark under class 41, for educational and instruction services and so forth.

The truth is that there are non-LDS denominations that consider themselves Mormons.

It's like when Mormons apply the term "Christian" to themselves. There are many who will dispute the propriety of such a label, but Mormons understand the term to be generic and think of themselves in that light.


#15

=ltwin;10177213]The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the largest Mormon "denomination" but not the only one. Mormonism includes all churches, movements, and groups that consider Joseph Smith as their founder.

There have been a number of splits among Mormons, so that today it is not a completely unified movement. However, most Mormons are members of the LDS Church, and so this church naturally is what most people think of when they think of Mormonism.

THANK YOU!

Do they have differing sets of beliefs and practices?


#16

[quote="PJM, post:15, topic:309557"]
THANK YOU!

Do they have differing sets of beliefs and practices?

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Yes. I'm not an expert, and I'm sure others here can speak to this more. I think, but am not sure, that all Mormon churches view Joseph Smith as a prophet and allow for the continuance of divine revelation. This I think is where some of the differences lie in that depending on when particular schisms in the movement occurred, certain groups accept some beliefs and practices revealed by divine revelation while other groups do not.

When it comes it to the LDS Church based in Utah, a lot of smaller "fundamentalist" Mormon sects have split from it over the issue of polygamy. The US state of Utah was founded by the LDS Church under Brigham Young (who lead the largest group of Mormons after the death of Joseph Smith). However, to become a US state, the Federal Government required that Utah outlaw polygamy. So, the LDS Church's president issued a moratorium on polygamous marriage, even though polygamy was an important belief according to LDS theology.

The LDS Church never renounced its teachings on polygamy, it only said that because civil law forbade it the LDS Church would to. Many Mormons continued to practice polygamy and left the LDS Church to start their own polygamous Mormon communities.


#17

It just seems like the mo's have taken from Catholism, Judiasm and Islam to create their religion. Its very confusing because they all seem to say something different about their religion. One mo may say we never taught that and another might say yes. We must pray for all lost souls.


#18

[quote="kimg901, post:17, topic:309557"]
It just seems like the mo's have taken from Catholism, Judiasm and Islam to create their religion. Its very confusing because they all seem to say something different about their religion. One mo may say we never taught that and another might say yes. We must pray for all lost souls.

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Yes, pray for them but also use pejoratives like "mo" when talking about them. :shrug:


#19

Not all groups that claim Joseph Smith as their founder hold the same beliefs.

The CoJCoLDS and the FLDS hold similar views and beliefs.

The Community of Christ, formerly Reorganized CoJCoLDS has a more "mainline" belief system....similar to Methodist, UCC...they hold similar views as mainstream Christianity in regard to Christology, Theology. They have become under the direction of their leadership more "ecumenical". They now accept baptisms from other Christian bodies and one my join by profession of faith then receive confirmation.

The Church of Jesus Christ in Penn is more "conservative" but also holds a more
mainstream conservative Christian belief system. They only baptize by immersion and one must be baptized by one of their elders.

Church of Christ Temple Lot is very similar to Church of Jesus Christ. While the Church of Jesus Christ sees the D&C as historical documents and revelation....both the CoCTL and CoJC only use Bible and Book of Mormon as scripture. A decade or so ago the CoCTL stopped accepting the Book of Commandments as a "standard wok" of scripture...but still publish it.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite) are quite small and worship on Saturday. They use the Bible, Book of Mormon and Book of the Law of the Lord as scripture. They tend to be more...."esoteric"


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