[quote=Tietjen]Why would you not choose to believe the Church on this issue? I guess what I am asking is that if you believe that the Church is wrong in this area what is to stop you from believing that it is wrong in other areas. We get into the whole concept of “cafeteria Catholicism” when we choose to believe; only those things that we personally wish to believe.
Rob’s wife is acting biblically-
"1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
Do you want legions of non-thinking, blind followers who buy whatever someone in a robe tells them?
Did Christ tell Thomas to shut up and simply accept His ressurrection? No, he demonstrated his wounds, let him touch them. He did not say “DO NOT QUESTION, THOMAS!”
However- from your own site:
*"Those who claim that indulgences are no longer part of Church teaching have the admirable desire to distance themselves from abuses that occurred around the time of the Protestant Reformation. They also want to remove stumbling blocks that prevent non-Catholics from taking a positive view of the Church. As admirable as these motives are, the claim that indulgences are not part of Church teaching today is false… *
Indulgences are part of the Church’s infallible teaching. This means that no Catholic is at liberty to disbelieve in them."
So, lets review. What do you have? A teaching that is “abused”, yet the followers of Catholcism are not at liberty to disbelieve and or question them.
So certain abused doctrines cannot be disputed because the doctrine has been deemed by a man to be infallable?
Message- “Some abuses you have to be a good little soldier and shut up and accept, because we said so, and we declare we cannot be wrong on this one.”
Robs wife, question them. Test the spirits.
Its also curious to note that nobody has mentioned in this thread that these “indulgences” were in fact “sold” during the time of Luther (something not admitted to on this site, they use some fine word juxtapositioning and call it “alms” that Luther was definiant about- and by their own definition “alms” which RCism defines as indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence…)
(Never mind the end-result of “alms” is an “indulgence”, even by definition. Lord forbid anyone make a mistake- and admit it.
Yet they say "One never could “buy” indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences, the scandal that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved alms" - and- if by this sites own definition- alms involve a donation that leads to an occasion to grant the indulgence.
Its no wonder why Luther brought this up in his 95 Thesis.
Yet, what does Catholic.com say?
"The financial scandal surrounding indulgences, the scandal that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved alms—indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence. "
Lets use logic here. If Alms require a donation, and Alms lead to an Indulgence- a monetary donation (alms) can -and have- led to indulgences being granted!!
Yet they still say "One never could “buy” indulgences."
Sadly, Rob’s Wife, many here react the same way to your question in the same way the church of that time treated Luther.
“Shut up. Don’t question. Accept it… or be excommunicated.”
The Catholic Encyclopedia states: **"t is easy to see how abuses crept in. Among the good works which might be encouraged by being made the condition of an indulgence, almsgiving would naturally hold a conspicuous place. . . .
So we have now-admitted abuses, and a man who questioned them (Martin Luther) at that time.
But he didn’t play the role of a “Good little Catholic Soldier” and blindly accept what he was told. This whole mess could have been easily corrected with some discernment by both parties involved. But some people, and some organizations think they ordained to never make mistakes.
Scripture doesn’t support that notion. All fall short of the glory of God. We are all sinners.
Best wishes to you Robs Wife. I’m not trying to convince you to become Protestant, but I am telling you that your questioning is healthy, and God ordained.
Remember- the Antichrist will come someday. He will demand that people not question his doctrines either.
Love to you all.**