Originally Posted by I Leatherman
OK, if we’re gonna keep this thread going, here are my objections to a global flood from last year:
“(1) How did the Kangaroos get from/to Australia to/from Noah and the ark? Did they swim the oceans?”
“In Noahs day there was just one landmass. No need to swim he-he.”
“And a bonus question (b) How did the Penguins and Polar Bears get from/to the South/North Pole to/from Noah and the ark?”
"I see this gondwanaland place is positioned partly over the south pole on my map. Penguins go where-ever the cold water goes and polar bears need not have come from the north pole only have gone to it. I’m arguing using what the geologist have told me. "
“Did a geologist also tell you how life possibly survived the massive catastophe that would have occurred when the plates broke up and moved?”
Well, I find myself here, the plates broken, and moved, according to everyone and everythings hunky-dory.
”(2) How did the Green River Formation in Wyoming form with its 20,000,000 (million) Varve layers in one year of a global flood? (each layer requires at least a month to settle)"
Each layer requires a month to settle today in our present conditions. "
“Do you have any evidence that the rate of settling of fine-grained particles in water is slower now than in the past?”
It is easy to flocculate fine-grained particles. Do you have concrete evidence of a uniform global past.
"(3) How did evolution produce – from 2 of each “kind” of animal Noah brought on the ark – the 1.5 to 2 million species we have today in just a few thousand years? (Assuming the global flood is dated around 4000 to 5000 years ago)"
“First the Bible doesnt place any date on the Earth.
There are 38 or so phyla for animals, from those 38 phyla sprang 1,370,500 animal species. From these phyla the subsequent history of animal life amounts to little more than variations on anatomical themes.”
"All Noah needed to save, it could be argued, was the 38 phyla of animals which later evolved into their different species. "
“It’s good to see that you believe in macroevolution.”
(deliberate intelligent design).
Keeping in mind that these phyla always had to have the potential for perfect variety inbuilt into them. A simple or primitive plant or insect having 2 - 2.5 times the number of chromosomes as a person allows for much variety from a basic body plan.
Its hard to see a plant evolving many times more chromosomes than it needs, assuming a plant can design its-self.
Evolution would have you move a creature from extremely basic to more complex. But the reality is of complex creatures suddenly appearing in a complete state in the fossil record. And these creatures would have the capacity to produce many perfect variants.
"(5) the “evolutionary” ordering of the fossils found throughout the geological strata (fish before amphibians before reptiles before mammals, etc), a global flood would mix up the order considerably, or sort by “weight” which we definitely do not see"
"Sort by body density surely, which some say they have demonstrated experimentally in the order you give. "
“How come there are no flowering plants found in carboniferous coal deposits? Hmmm? Were they sorted out from the other plant mass that make up coal deposits?”
Perhaps, perhaps it was winter.
"(7) a global flood cannot explain limestone deposits (billions of microscopic sea animals thousands of meters thick), chalk deposits (plankton settle very slowly), salt and sedimentary (30,000 feet thick) deposits requiring much time to form (not possible in one year of a flood)"
"The chalk deposits and limestone deposits are primarily mineral in origin with surprisingly [to geologists] little fossil evidence present. "
“Oh, really? Here’s one geologist that is stunned to learn that fossils are rare in chalks (almost completely composed of fossils) and limestones.”
I work with quarried limestones of all common types. This year I saw two small fossils. Away from bedding planes fossils are scarce.
I watched an English geologist poke his pen-knife into the cliffs of Dover and listened to the words ‘but fossils are surprisingly rare’.
"(8) where did all the water come from, and where did it go?"
"Fountains of the deep? Possibly the water didnt go anywhere, land separated, collided, raised up. Maybe a fractured land was more boyant on the mantel than a single landmass. "
“So your position is that the crustal plates are floating on water?”