[quote=AnAtheist]Noone wants to get murdered. It is logical for a group of people to prohibit murder as nobody wants that anyway and to keep the group functioning, i.e. undisturbed by murders. Thus laws against murder have evolved.
What’s your take on free will, then? We have none since we’re just evolving against our will?
Re your Japanese and Roman examples. These examples are rather weak. I specifically asked for a civilization that permitted murder (killing, whatever you want to call it) as a general rule, by which I mean people have license to kill anyone, anytime, anywhere. As you indicated, though, there really aren’t any. Yet, you claim an aversion to killing is instinctive, that it’s evolved. To me the notion of evolution (as scientists teach it) requires more faith that to say God created/creates the universe, but evolution is for another thread.
You also say that it’s logical for people to get together and establish laws against certain activity. I would counter it’s not logical to care what other people tell you to do if 1) there is no God and 2) you therefore you have nothing to worry about in the afterlife. Sure, those who enforce laws will come after you when you rape/murder/steal, but if you can defend yourself from them, why not go ahead and do what you wish? What I’m getting at is that as an athiest, how can you view human life as having any value if we are no better than animals? If you have something I want, why shouldn’t I just take it, especially if I can steal it without your knowledge? If I can rape your wife/mother/sister and get away with it, why shouldn’t I?
These get to more fundamental questions of whether you believe that life has value, whether you believe there is something like human dignity to consider. And if you do, one must ask why you believe in such ideas. If you see a homeless person living on the street, surely you don’t think to yourself, “Wow, my DNA and evolved brain are telling me to feel compassion for him.” The idea that we are merely automatons being told what to do by evolution just doesn’t make any sense to me.