No, I have only heard of the title.
I’m thinking we need Father Jack Bauer right about now.
Do you think he’ll need a hacksaw?
It would be intersting if he came on this Forum and the Liberals did not know who he was.
Wonder how his posts would be treated???:eek:
And, vice versa
It’s looking that way, isn’t it?
He might have to quickly earn their trust…
I know many traditional Catholics blame the Holy Father for not yet issuing the motu proprio for allowing broader use of the Traditional rite, but I for one am pleased with the job Pope Benedict is doing. I think he is under much pressure, as the article points out, to keep the Latin Mass very much in seclusion. It’s obvious to anyone who has read his writings as a cardinal that he loves the Traditional Mass and wants to see it become a regular part of Church life again. We have to pray for our Holy Father-- it must be incredibly hard to be in his position.
I think he would handle them with grace and dazzle them with intelligence.
At which point, certain posters would smother him with syurpy snideness anyway.
Gratia et pax vobiscum,
Would you say that the progressives continue to hold the Curia? Would you and others say that Pope John Paul II was a member of the progressives?
Here is the link to the Italian magazine article, for those who like myself can read Italian: panorama.it/italia/vatica…-A020001039610
My Italian is horrible…ok go ahead and laugh:
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Here is the full article:
Curia resists Papal Policies Italian Magazine Says
Rome, Jan. 19, 2007 (CWNews.com) - Pope Benedict XVI has faced steady opposition within the Vatican as he seeks to implement new policies, according to an article in Italy’s Panorama magazine. The article concludes that the Holy Father is now assembling his own management team to implement his policies.
“Benedict XVI does not have a decisive temperament,” writes Ignazio Ingrao in his analysis for Panorama The Italian journalist reports that the Pontiff has faced stiff resistance in his effort to reform the Roman Curia and to broaden access to the traditional liturgy.
Dwelling at length on the controversy surrounding the ill-fated appointment of Archbishop Stanislaw Wielgus in Warsaw, the Panorama analysis sees tensions between the Polish clerics who surrounded Pope John Paul II and the allies of the current Pontiff. The author also sees continued fallout from the Wielgus debacle, with other leading Polish prelates likely to face charges that they collaborated with the Communist secret police.
Originally, the Panorama story says, Pope Benedict passed over 6 different candidates put forward by the Polish hierarchy to choose Archbishop Wielgus; the Pope withdrew his support only when he became convinced that the incoming Archbishop of Warsaw had provided misleading information about his background.
The Wielgus controversy drew attention to some of the tensions between Polish Church leaders and the Pope, Ingrao writes. He points out that Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz of Krakow, the longtime secretary to John Paul II, remained quiet about the appointment, although he reportedly did not approve of the Pope’s choice. The Italian journalist also notes that the Pope said that Cardinal Jozef Glemp could retain his title as Primate of Poland for 3 more years, after John Paul II had conferred that title upon Cardinal Glemp for life.
The Wielgus controversy has accelerated shifts in the balance of power within the Roman Curia, Panorama reports, because the incident underlined the need for the Pope to form his own effective leadership team. The Italian magazine reports that it was Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Secretary of State, who conveyed the request for Archbishop Wielgus to submit resignation.
Cardinal Bertone, who took office last September, has provided Pope Benedict with a loyal and energetic right-hand man, the Panorama story says, concluding that the coming year should see more decisive movement to implement the Pope’s agenda.
The Curia has no authority of it’s own. It is entirely delegated.
I doubt that the Curia has any real ability to thwart the Holy Father in his wishes. If he really wants to do something, anything, he should start firing them one by one and sending them off to parts remote. Most of them will quickly fall in line.
He doesn’t have to keep any of the Cardinals either, he has Universal Jurisdiction!
The Pope can clean house if he wants to. With one billion people and hundreds of thousands of priests around the world (many with prior experience in business or government) I am sure he can find a few talented individuals who will do as he requires.
Basically, I think the article is bogus, with a theme designed to encourage syndication.
Okay, I’ve translated the part of the article that is relevant to this topic. Please keep in mind that this is my translation, not some official translation so it won’t be completely free from errors.
"A few months before the death of John Paul II, the future pontiff denounced the “filth” that resides in the Church. But cleaning up isn’t so easy.
Benedict XVI does not have a decisive temperment and has to keep in mind his age (he will turn 80 this April.) In addition his policies encounter much resistance. The French cardinals, led by the president of the episcopal Conference Jean-Pierre Ricard, oppose the liberalization of the Latin Mass of St. Pius V.
The reorganization of the Curia has stooped, studied by Cardinal Attilio Nicora in order to reduce offices and contain spending. Long and complicated was the transfer of the ex Secretary of State, Angelo Sodano, to his new residence, forcing his successor to use occupy a small office for three months. The rotation of the nuncios in principal diplomatic offices has been blocked for a time.
Also disillusioned are some of the great electors of Benedict XVI, who were counting on being rewarded for their support in the conclave. The Legionaries of Christ and their Mexican supporters wre angered because their founder, having been accused of sexual abuse, was condemned by the Pope without a trial.
The Opus Dei have seen their presence in the Curia reduced with the departure of Joaquin Navarro-Falls, who was the Vatican’s spokesman, and the potential departure of Cardinal Julian Herranz, President of Interpretation of Legislative Texts for the Curia.
In the meantime, US cardinals are demanding greater importance in the Curia for, in spite of the compensation given to victims of pedophile priests, the US Church holds first place among financial contributors to the Holy See. Latin Americans, even though having gained the appointment of the ex archbishop of Sao Paolo Claudio Hummes to the prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, complain that the Pope does not pay enough attention to the difficulties across their continent.
In the next few days the Pontifical Commission for Latin America will prepare a list of problems to present to the Pope in view of his trip to Brasil. It is difficult also for the German Church to hold together her diverse views, represented by the cardinals Karl Lehmann, Joachim Meisner, and Walter Kasper. It is not easy to get things done in this complex situation. For many months Benedict XVI has appeared isolated, closed in his study polishing his arguments, writing his book *Jesus of Nazareth. From His Baptism in the Jordan to the Transfiguration *(set to come out in April), and playing the piano. His only breaks have been dinners at the house of his ex secretary, Monsignor Josef Clemens. Ratzinger has paid dearly for his lack of a game plan: the diplomatic incident with the State of Israel in July 2005, the furious reaction after his speech at Regensburg in September, and recently the case of Wielgus in Poland."
Sorry it took so long:o, but I’ve been busy.
No offense, but this is too simplistic of a view. Do not underestimate the forces within the Curia.
This whole article gives me goosebumps. I keep thinking about Fatima the wounded pope and the church in shambles.
Jesus did not state that “upon this Curia I will build my church” did he?
If the church is suffering through some sort of Curial disease it discredits the claims of Petrine supremacy. It is demonstrating that one man cannot run the church from Roma. It tells us that the system has gone off the rails.
If the Vicar of Christ on Earth is not in complete charge of the church, how do we define what IS in charge?
This is the man whom the church claims is above even an ecumenical Council, and from whose decisions there is no appeal. Quite frankly, if the Pope’s own agenda is being thwarted by a few Curial officials or lower level hacks he’s not a real Pope.
Because that is not even conceivable, I am sure the article’s main premise is a bunch of bunk.