"Dancing sun" at Fatima

Always been on the fence on this…

Recently started looking into it more.

This dancing sun claim…supposedly thousands of people witnessed it. Has there been any independent sources confirming it actually happened?

Any video of it? I know video was scarce then.

If something like that happened in this day and age, how would science go about explaining it?

Yes it was witnessed not only by Christians there…

As to empirical science - remember too the ground was found to be dried up after the event - from all the rain prior…

You’re kidding, right?

No, video existed then, just scarcely.

Even if there was video footage, the quality would probably be so bad that it wouldn’t make a difference.

Seeking scientific ‘proof’ of fatima or any other spiritual related event is useless, I doubt any video or camera technology we have could even capture such a thing anyway. The only technology that I know that even comes close would be infrared, but even then, it may not capture the event.

70,000 + eyewitnesses isn’t independent enough for you? You need to read this:
johnhaffert.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Meet-the-Witnesses-91511.pdf

This brings to mind a bible verse about not being convinced when “He rises from the dead.”

The miracle was supposed to be even more miraculous, but because the children were arrested by the socialist government, it was not as spectacular as it was supposed to be (it was supposed to be even greater basically).

Faith is believing when others tell you not to.

I have faith in the miracle of the sun at Fatima and the healing waters of Lourdes.

I highly recommend the dvd “Marian Apparitions of the 20th Century” Narrated by Ricardo Montalban.
Footage of many apparitions and seers.

Heard about Our Lady of Zeitoun? Lots of photo and video

MY friend, I too was on the fence, but I got a book out of my local Catholic library that covered about 8 or 9 apparitions, and how they impacted the world in what were and still are very difficult times. I had previously only interneted apparitions and treated each apparition as a separate autonomous event. Instead, from reading this book, I found a continuous thread running through the fabric of human history, with a common message, repent and find redemption. And while individuals did, often in large numbers, the collective human civilizations didn’t. And suffered because of it. But one day we collectively might listen to the voice.

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I’ll look at it, thanks.

The problem is, and thus the reason I asked the question in the first place, is that back then people were much more religious. And so it’s likely that most or all of those folks were Catholic and so it gains more credibility when non religious folks experience it.

I have not. Thank you.

See that is what I need. A good informative book on this as a whole.

I have honestly never been a big fan of the Apparitions because the wording of what she apparently said seemed too Mary-centric. Build ME this or that, etc, etc.

But, I can not deny all the good that has come out of this. Prior to becoming Catholic, I thought they were all demonic, tbh. Now as a Catholic, I see how our lady of Guadalupe’s appearance seems to have transformed Mexico from totally pagan to virtually totally Christian(Catholic or otherwise) and I have to acknowledge how impactful these apparitions have been. So it’s something I’ll continue to study as I currently have no position on any of them.

Thats what I wonder about, if some of these were fake deceptions, why would the enemy be propagating them, since they are leading so many people to the church and to God? doesnt seem like a result he would like.

However if we started seeing lots of apparitions leading people AWAY from God or the church, well I could understand that and why they were being used, but that does not seem to be the case?

The message of Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima was to pray the Rosary, consecrate ourselves and Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary , do penance in reparation for outrages, sacrilege and indifference to Jesus Christ and Mary.

The prayers of Fatima given by the Angel of Fatima and Our Lady of the Rosary sums up the message.

catholiccompany.com/getfed/five-prayers-taught-at-fatima-by-mary-the-angels/

THE PARDON PRAYER
The angel who appeared to the children called himself the Angel of Peace and the Angel of Portugal. He taught them the following prayer:

My God, I believe, I adore, I hope and I love Thee! I ask pardon for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not hope and do not love Thee.

THE ANGEL’S PRAYER
On one occasion, the three children saw the angel prostrate before a host and chalice that hung in the air. Worshiping the Eucharist, the angel prayed,

Most Holy Trinity – Father, Son and Holy Spirit- I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges, and indifferences whereby He is offended. And through the infinite merits of His Most Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I beg of Thee the conversion of poor sinners.

THE EUCHARISTIC PRAYER
During the first apparition of Our Lady of Fatima, the children found themselves “moved by an interior impulse,” as Lucia later explained, to say the following prayer together:

Most Holy Trinity, I adore Thee! My God, my God, I love Thee in the Most Blessed Sacrament.

THE SACRIFICE PRAYER
The Blessed Mother taught the children to offer all their personal sacrifices to God by praying,

Oh my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

THE ROSARY DECADE PRAYER
The Blessed Mother stressed the critical importance of praying the rosary daily for the conversion of sinners and for peace in the world. She asked that the following prayer be recited at the end of each rosary decade:

Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy.

THis year 2017, is the 100th Anniversary of Fatima. Our dear Pope Francis will be there on May 13th. It is thought he might cannonise the two younger children.

Doesn’t make sense, you are right.

Some of these are beautiful prayers. I use the bolded, already, in my usual daily prayers.

Lenten_ashes. Regarding answering your Fatima inquiry from presumably a more secular viewpoint, I offer you the link below to hopefully answer some of your questions.

God bless.

Cathoholic

I think with our Holy Father Pope Francis going there for the 100 year anniversary, it not only is interesting, but adds to the timeliness of your questions…

THE TRUE STORY OF FATIMA

Father John de Marchi, I.M.C,

Introduction

Through no gift of the author’s, but by the divine power, this is one of the very great stories of modern times. The remarkable events occurring near Fatima, Portugal, in the months from May to October, 1917, gain significance and new meaning with every passing day; the friends and followers of Our Lady of Fatima, for whom this volume speaks, increase each year by numberless legion in prayerful certitude that what we are revealing here is true.

The author is a witness to this truth, having lived at Fatima for many years, and this plain book’s pretension to importance is that it is able to present for the first time to Americans the full and documented background against which God has written His own prescription for peace.

Much of this account is lovely and can be counted on to fulfil almost anyone’s story-book expectations, as it tells of the shepherd children, Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco. But it is also a divinely serious narrative recalling, to the likely discomfort of many, the reality of heaven and hell, and bringing to necessary attention other primary matters too often and too long placed out of mind. It is hoped that this book, in its completeness, will provide a kind of text on Fatima, and the author feels obliged, in the face of such ambition, to list the documents on which it has been based.

**I have used the Portuguese newspapers of the period, especially the Seculo, the Diario de Noticias, and the Mundo, all at the time important pro-government journals, anticlerical in both policy and tone. They describe the drama of the reported apparitions from a purely secular, non-religious point of view . . . **

(Bold above mine)

ewtn.com/library/MARY/tsfatima.htm

Oh yes. One more thing regarding the EWTN link I posted in the last post (here it is again), Father Marchi, who wrote the book, said he had extensive input from the now late Sister Lucia herself.

. . . Unquestionably the one marked virtue of the book you are about to read is that it has been checked for truth and exact detail by Lucia, the surviving seer of Fatima, who is today (having transferred from the Dorothean Order) a Carmelite nun, arid appears almost certainly destined to be a saint of God. . . .

ewtn.com/library/MARY/tsfatima.htm

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