Dangerous radioactive particles have been detected across Europe and no-one knows where they came from


#21

Highest concentration of the source and wind drift patterns. Shouldnt be that hard. And then those satellites that can take photos. But now being late Feb, the horse will have bolted. Any investigation should well and truly have drawn conclusions now.

Why make public withOut having investigated it. Simple chemistry of pollution science.

You cant get away with much these days. Remember that piece of meteor that slammed into buildings in Russia, the photos from that passenger plane ‘shot down’ , where Russian forces were walking around, that sweat shop fire in Bangladesh.

Much as it grieves me to say, and I know Trump is pro Fox and anti the rest of them, but how credible are these reports, or written by someone who understands the data and the consequences.

Why is it being released now, 6 weeks later.

There is a great book , one of my favourites. The Chemistry of Pollution. Good read for those interested in causes and clean ups.


#22

Whats the country at 5.92 +/- ?


#23

It appears to be Poland.

http://english.asp.edu.pl/europe-map.gif

But these reports came from France a week or two after Norway had seen evidence of such, but did not report it. The initial isotopes may have been from the Northern Norway/Russian border region.


#24

Well its interesting all those countries were recently passed by the Russian Carrier “Admiral Kuznetsov”, speculated to have been 2013 refitted with nuclear propulsion, in Jan (when the readings were taken).

The known nuclear powered Petr Velikiy ruiser was also part of that task force.


#25

Apologies, it was a long night and I had very little sleep to tell misinformation from wit :smiley:


#26

Its a pity no measurements are available from Russia, Ukraine or Bellarus

:innocent:


#27

I believe the Admiral Kuznetsov is still propelled by conventional boilers. It sure smokes like it. :smiley: But you’re right the battle group the Kuznetsov travelled with did contain the nuclear powered battlecruiser, Pyotr Veliky. That group left the Mediterranean around the second week of January. The time frame doesn’t seem to match. Jan 25th she was escorted through the English Channel.


#28

Just a thought…I thought there was some doubt re the nuclear propulsion refit.
Maybe its a hybrid engine carrier, it can spue out green radioactives instead of all that bad smoke.
Maybe, the “small” amount of acceptable nuclear waste is vented into the smoke stack instead of the water as US nuclear powered ships do :rolleyes:.


#29

In connection with this issue . . .

theaviationist.com/2017/02/22/u-s-wc-135-nuclear-sniffer-airplane-has-left-the-uk-heading-towards-norway-and-the-barents-sea/


#30

U.S. WC-135 nuclear sniffer airplane has left the UK heading towards Norway and the Barents Sea

The WC-135 Constant Phoenix has launched from RAF Mildenhall earlier today for a mission towards northern Europe and the Barents Sea. Interestingly, an RC-135W spyplane has launched from the same base on the same route. What’s their mission?

As you probably already know, on Feb. 17, 2017, U.S. Air Force WC-135C Constant Phoenix Nuclear explosion “sniffer,” serial number 62-3582, deployed to RAF Mildenhall, UK, using radio callsign “Cobra 55.”

Whereas it was not the first time the Constant Phoenix visited the British airbase, the deployment to the UK amidst growing concern about an alleged spike in iodine levels recorded in northern Europe fueled speculations that the WC-135 might be tasked with investigating the reason behind the released Iodine-131.

In fact, along with monitoring nuclear weapons testing, the WC-135 can be used to track radioactive activity, as happened after the Chernobyl nuclear plant disaster in the Soviet Union in 1986 and Fukushima incident back in 2011, by collecting particles and chemical substances in the atmosphere, days, weeks, or sometimes even month after they were dispersed.

Whilst the reason of the deployment has yet to be confirmed (actually, there are still contradictory reports about the spike in Iodine-131) the WC-135 has departed for its first mission since it arrived at Mildenhall: on Feb. 22, at around 11.50LT, the nuclear “sniffer” aircraft has departed for a mission towards Norway and the Barents Sea.

The WC-135C (radio callsign “Flory 58”) was supported by two KC-135 tankers (“Quid 524” and “525”)suggesting it had just started a very long mission and somehow accompanied, along the same route, by an RC-135W (“Pulpy 81”) and another Stratotanker (“Quid 513”).

It’s hard to guess the type of mission this quite unusual “package” has embarked on: investigating the alleged iodine spike? Collecting intelligence on some Russian nuclear activity? Something else?

Hard to say.

For sure, once the aircraft reached Aberdeen, eastern Scotland, they turned off their transponder becoming invisible to the flight tracking websites such as Flightradar24.com or Global.adsbexchange.com that use ADS-B, Mode S and MLAT technologies to monitor flights: a sign they were going operational and didn’t want to be tracked online.

theaviationist.com/2017/02/22/u-s-wc-135-nuclear-sniffer-airplane-has-left-the-uk-heading-towards-norway-and-the-barents-sea/

*This is the same article and link Dave posted above. (It would be nice if this thread didn’t die.)


#31

One immediately suspects Chernobyl; something happening there that Russia won’t talk about.

But another thought. Has anyone taken a count on Russian nuclear submarines lately? They’re not exactly known to be safe.


#32

You may very well be right about this being caused by a Russian submarine. And Ridgerunner, I really think you’ll find the following articles interesting, particularly the Vice one. It stands out as possibly the most Looney Tunes news article I’ve ever encountered in all my life. There have actually been entire nuclear reactors simply dropped into the Arctic ocean and abandoned…

news.vice.com/article/the-soviet-union-dumped-a-bunch-of-nuclear-submarines-reactors-and-containers-into-the-ocean

The Soviet Union Dumped a Bunch of Nuclear Submarines, Reactors, and Containers into the Ocean

The 1986 Chernobyl disaster in Ukraine remains one of the worst nuclear incidents in history and highlighted the risks of generating power by splitting atoms. But it’s not the only nuclear waste the Soviet Union left behind. Scattered across the ocean floor in the cold waters of the Arctic are nuclear submarines and reactors dumped by the Soviets up until the early 1990s.

Now, as energy companies are seeking to drill in those same waters, the Russian government has shown an interest in cleaning up its nuclear waste. But after decades of sitting on the ocean floor, some of the most dangerous pieces may be too unstable to remove, leaving the potential for radioactive material to leak, which could disrupt commercial fisheries and destroy aquatic ecosystems.

“Taking reactors and cutting out the bottom of your ships and letting them sink to the bottom is about as irresponsible as you can get when it comes to radioactive waste,” Jim Riccio, a nuclear expert with Greenpeace, told VICE News. “We’ve had some weird[behavior] in this country where we haven’t been all that great with it but nothing that rose to the level of what the Soviets had done.”

Before the London Convention of 1972, an international agreement that prohibited marine dumping, countries were free to use the oceans as a trash heep for nuclear waste. Though the Soviets signed the treaty in the late 1980s, it wasn’t until after the break up of the Soviet Union in 1991 that the Russians opened up to the international community about the extent of the Arctic dumping campaign…

This article continues at the above link.

And two more related links:

bellona.org/news/nuclear-issues/radioactive-waste-and-spent-nuclear-fuel/2012-08-russia-announces-enormous-finds-of-radioactive-waste-and-nuclear-reactors-in-arctic-seas

bbc.com/news/world-europe-21119774


#33

thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7758/has-there-been-a-nuclear-incident-in-the-arctic

Has There Been A “Nuclear Incident” In The Arctic?

There have been rumblings regarding some sort of nuclear incident—or possibly incidents—in the Arctic over the last month. Multiple reports, some of them from official monitoring organizations, have reported iodine 131—a radioactive isotope often associated with nuclear fission—has been detected via air sampling stations throughout the region.

The first detection of the isotope came during the second week of January, via an air sampling station located in Svanhovd, on Norway’s border with Russia’s Kola Peninsula. Within days, air sampling stations as far south as Spain also detected the presence of small amounts of the isotope. The fact that iodine-131 has a half-life of just eight days would point to the release occurring just days earlier, and not being a remnant of a past nuclear event…

This article continues at the link above, which continues a wealth of pertinent information, and excellent links embedded within the piece, as well as a couple good maps.


#34

I think Russia has weapons of mass destruction.


#35

An intentional release by someone who found improperly disposed of pharmaceuticals? Something from an abandoned hospital in Russia. Say near Chernobyl.


#36

An interview on late night radio here in Aus with a cyber hacker security expert. He began listing off notable significant cyber hacks of national infrastructure.

I still have to find the link, but wanted to post before I forget.

About 6 weeks ago Russia hacked into the power supply of the Ukraine, and turned it off. There have been 2 cyber hacks into their grid. No idea if its linked. But things that make you go hmm in general.


#37

Just generally speaking of cyber attacks, breaches and leaks - most people unfortunately remain unaware of how often they occur. Worldwide. It’s staggering.


#38

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