Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like rabbits"


#1

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Irish persons are often Catholics.

Darwin:
A most important obstacle in civilised countries to an
increase in the number of men of a superior class has
been strongly insisted on by Mr. Greg and Mr. Galton,*
namely, the fact that the very poor and reckless, who are
often degraded by vice, almost invariably marry early,
whilst the careful and frugal, who are generally otherwise
virtuous, marry late in life

Thus the reckless, degraded, and often vicious members
of society, tend to increase at a quicker rate than the
provident and generally virtuous members. Or as Mr.
Greg puts the case:
“The careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like
rabbits
==
In the eternal ‘struggle for existence,’ it would
be the inferior and less favoured race that had prevailed–
and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its
faults.”

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Hitler; Darwin: "the evil which the Catholic Church has thus effected is incalculable"
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Darwin in the 6th edition of Origin on [Darwin]“survival of the fittest” and the [Darwin]"struggle for life"
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Hitler embraced Darwinian natural selection
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Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah’s Arrival
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Darwin, Charles. 1871, 1874, 1888. The Descent of Man
Chapter 5 - On the Development of the Intellectual and Moral Faculties During Primeval and Civilised Times
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With civilised nations, as far as an advanced standard of
morality, and an increased number of fairly good men are
concerned, natural selection apparently effects but little;
though the fundamental social instincts were originally
thus gained. But I have already said enough, whilst
treating of the lower races, on the causes which lead to
the advance of morality, namely, the approbation of our
fellow-men-- the strengthening of our sympathies by habit–
example and imitation-- reason-- experience, and even
self-interest-- instruction during youth, and religious
feelings.

A most important obstacle in civilised countries to an
increase in the number of men of a superior class has
been strongly insisted on by Mr. Greg and Mr. Galton,*
namely, the fact that the very poor and reckless, who are
often degraded by vice, almost invariably marry early,
whilst the careful and frugal, who are generally otherwise
virtuous, marry late in life, so that they may be able to
support themselves and their children in comfort. Those
who marry early produce within a given period not only a
greater number of generations, but, as shewn by Dr.
Duncan,*(2) they produce many more children. The
children, moreover, that are borne by mothers during the
prime of life are heavier and larger, and therefore
probably more vigorous, than those born at other periods.
Thus the reckless, degraded, and often vicious members
of society, tend to increase at a quicker rate than the
provident and generally virtuous members. Or as Mr.
Greg puts the case:

   "The careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like 
   rabbits:  the frugal, foreseeing, self-respecting, ambitious 
   Scot, stern in his morality, spiritual in his faith, sagacious 
   and disciplined in his intelligence, passes his best years 
   in struggle and in celibacy, marries late, and leaves few 
   behind him.  Given a land originally peopled by a 
   thousand Saxons and a thousand Celts-- and in a dozen 
   generations five-sixths of the population would be Celts, 
   but five-sixths of the property, of the power, of the 
   intellect, would belong to the one-sixth of Saxons that 
   remained.  In the eternal 'struggle for existence,' it would 
   be the inferior and _less_ favoured race that had prevailed-- 
   and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its 
   faults."

#2

did you ever read “A modest Proposal”? :wink:


#3

Some great scientific minds have been horribly warped by prejudice and hatred for a group of people. The Irish were universally hated in many countries, including the United States. My mother and father married in Connecticut in 1950. My mother is Italian from California. My father is Irish from Texas. It was back East they first saw a sign in a window that said “Help Wanted. Irish need not apply”.


#4

Darwin, Galton and Sanger are all pretty much cut from the same cloth…Sanger fought for contraception to specifically eliminate the blacks, jews, catholics and slavs(?)…this is the backbone of Planned Parenthood. Darwin and his cousin when concocting this theory of evolution also panhandled Eugenics…the idea that the supreme human race should be encouraged—well, Hitler fleshed out the ideas of these three and came up with the Final Solution.

The kicker is that the public school system in the US continues to promote these ideas. It’s spiritually and humanly appalling. We are educating the next generation with the same venom that fed the Nazi philosophy.

God help us all.

in XT.


#5

[steveandersen]“did you ever read ‘A modest Proposal’?”

Some of it, a long while ago.

[Leslie K.]“Some great scientific minds have been horribly warped by prejudice and hatred for a group of people.”

Proctor, Robert N. 1988. Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis
(Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press), 414pp. On 6:

 "The published record of the German medical profession
 makes it clear that many intellectuals cooperated fully in
 Nazi racial programs, and that many of the social and
 intellectual foundations for these programs were laid long
 before the rise of Hitler to power.  What I want to argue in
 addition to this, however (and here I shall be drawing
 upon a growing body of recent German scholarship on
 this question) is that biomedical scientists played an
 active, even leading role in the initiation, administration,
 and execution of Nazi racial programs."

2004 Richard Weikart: "physicians… were committed to a racist eugenics ideology that the Nazis favored"
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[AquinasXVI]“Darwin, Galton and Sanger are all pretty much cut from the same cloth”

Sanger: segregate the anti-social and feebleminded
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Quote Archive of 1184 Quotes
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Hitler & Darwin on
[Hitler & Darwin]"master[s]"
over
[Darwin]"subjugated… men"
having
[Darwin]"utility to their masters"
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Darwin on selection of Spartan children
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[AquinasXVI]“Eugenics…the idea that the supreme human race should be encouraged—well, Hitler fleshed out the ideas of these three and came up with the Final Solution.”

Hitler’s human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]“careful selection” + mutations
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Darwin on [1871 Darwin]“careful selection” in connection with the breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
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Hitler’s debt to American eugenicists
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Hitler embraced Darwinian natural selection
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Hitler’s actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social Darwinist vision
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Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah’s Arrival
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#6

I’m still not sure what your point is about what someone said 160 years ago :confused:

I mean for crying out loud a huge hunk of the world’s population was in a state of peonage then and a certain North American nation had chattel slavery. The Irish were still under some of the penal laws. It’s no wonder an Englishman like Darwin thought as he did.

I’m still not sure why it is important.


#7

[quote=steveandersen]I’m still not sure why it is important.
[/quote]

What exactly is “it”?

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Darwin: "the New Zealander… compares his future fate with that of the native rat now almost exterminated by the European rat"
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Hitler & Darwin on
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[Darwin]"subjugated… men"
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Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like rabbits"
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Darwin on correlation between human skin colour and odour
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your freethought/ atheism conversion experience?
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Darwin on selection of Spartan children
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this Darwin correct as of: 1888? 1944?: "man differs widely from any strictly domesticated animal; for his breeding has never long been controlled, either by methodical or unconscious selection"
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Darwin on certain “distinct races” of humans being "distinct species"
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an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
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4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
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Hitler’s actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social Darwinist vision
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1923 Holmes; parallel between Hitler and [Darwin]"the inferior vitality of mulattoes is spoken of in a trustworthy work*(5) as a well-known phenomenon"
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Hitler’s human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]“careful selection” + mutations
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Darwin on [1871 Darwin]“careful selection” in connection with the breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
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Darwin, T.H. Huxley, Haeckel, Trotha, Goebbels, Hitler, Marx, O’Hair
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[1872 Darwin]“Blushing is evident in all the Aryan nations of Europe… The
Semitic races blush freely, as might have been expected, from their
general similitude to the Aryans.”
[Darwin]“Dr. Saviotti in… 1871… remarks that it more frequently
occurs in prognathous skulls, not of the Aryan race, than in others”
[1871/ 74/ 88 Darwin]"Europeans and Hindoos… belong to the same Aryan stock… Jews… belong to the Semitic stock"
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Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah’s Arrival
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