Darwin's Theory of Evolution is not scientific


#785

I think he is a closet Catholic…:grinning: He knows Catholicism pretty well. More so than many CINO’s.


#786

Why should it be hard?


#787

He is reality itself. He is living because He is a personable God. His only begotten Son lived and lives on.


#788

Do you know the original ones tell the story of Creation?


#789

We know you have a bad memory, Buffalo. You keep asking the same facile questions when they have already been answered and keep making the same nonsensical points when they have been comprehensively dismissed many times.

So try to remember this: I only post links to anything in order to back up something I have already discussed. Never as an end to themselves.


#790

Case in point: you insist on reposting garbage (just a few minutes ago) when it has already been pointed out to you quite some time ago that it is indeed garbage:

Barely credible…


#791

Miller Urey tried the experiment on earth and failed, as have all others. Abiogenesis in a closed loop cannot work as all who tried have discovered

@rossum however said he made himself
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#792

God is a theory as well, it’s faith that is our saving grace - just sayin


#793

God is no theory - check the CCC
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#794

I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic schools. I left Catholicism at about 15 and converted to Buddhism about 19. So, yes, I do have a good working knowledge of Catholicism.

rossum


#795

Your source is misinforming you. The M-U experiment was a “What happens if…” experiment. It did not fail, since it had no specific target. It did provide good information for the debate on abiogenesis. That is why it has been repeated, with variations, many times since. There is a lot of information that needs to be discovered, and M-U type experiments help us find that information.

Ah… a prophecy. Probably an incorrect prophecy. People who make prophecies about what science cannot do are very often shown to be wrong. Remember things like: “Science will never make a heavier than air flying machine.”

Standard Buddhism. Have you heard of karma? Or how about, “As you sow, so shall you reap”? That was what I was talking about.

rossum


#796

Not at all; Miller Urey was not a closed loop; read the experiment. And it failed


#797

I have read the experiment. The original paper is here. Can you point out to us where it failed?

rossum


#798

Did you check the link? it doesn’t work
“Your source lied to you”


#799

Works for me (iPad, Safari).


#800

The link works for me. It points to a PDF file, so if your device cannot display PDF files then that may be the source of the problem. The raw link is: http://faculty.jsd.claremont.edu/dmcfarlane/bio145mcfarlane/PDFs/miller_prebiotic%20souppdf.pdf

The first two paragraphs read:

The idea that the organic compounds that serve as
the basis of life were formed when the earth had an
atmosphere of methane, ammonia, water, and hydrogen
instead of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, oxygen, and
water was suggested by Oparin (1) and has been-given
emphasis recently by Urey (2) and Bernal (3).

In order to test this hypothesis, an apparatus was
built to circulate CH4, NH3, H2O, and H2 past an
electric discharge. The resulting mixture has been
tested for amino acids by paper chromatography.
Electrical discharge was used to form free radicals
instead of ultraviolet light, because quartz absorbs
wavelengths short enough to cause photo-dissociation
of the gases. Electrical discharge may have played a
significant role in the formation of compounds in the
primitive atmosphere.

Notice that the point of the experiment was not to create life, but to “test this hypothesis” on the formation of amino acids.

rossum


#801

I studied the experiment carefully at university in my biochemistry year and you @rossum seem to be unaware that the experiment was NOT a closed loop, but had a reservoir (filled via a tap) which was excluded from the system so that any amino acids formed were then not exposed to further sparks. If you were unaware of that, “Your source is lying to you”
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#802

We agree that the M-U experiment was not a “failed” attempt to create life in the lab. It was a test of the hypothesis that amino acids could form under a certain set of conditions. The experiment was a successful test of that hypothesis.

rossum


#803

No @Rossum. You need to acknowledge that the Miller-Urey experimental apparatus was designed with a tap and reservoir out of the main loop so that the 11 amino acids produced would not be broken down. If you did not know this that would explain why you were unaware that the apparatus design condemned Miller-Urey to failure as an experiment
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#804

Fine. Re-run the experiment with an apparatus the size of a planet, with winds, current, tides, storms, lightning etc. Will that make you happier?

rossum


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