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The evidence for the real presence is found explicitly many times in the bible. Just as Abraham’s faith was tested by a hard saying, sacrifice your only son. Just as Israel’s faith was tested in the wilderness. So Christ tested the faith of those in Jn6.
Blessed are you for you have seen and believe, but more blessed is he who has not seen and believes. Catholics accept, by faith, the witness of God’s Word as taught by the pillar and ground of Truth, 1Tm3:15, the Church. Those Christ promised to Guide into all Truth, Jn16:13. Those He sent to teach the world promising to be them till the end, Mt28:16-20.
**Christ was not a literal door, Jn10:9, Christ was not a literal vine, Christ was not a literal lion, Christ was not a literal lamb and rivers of living water do not literally flow out of our bellies. Ask yourself, did any one misunderstand when Christ used any of the above metaphors, or any of the others he used. How many said, “how can this man be a vine?” How many complained, these are hard sayings who can hear them? How many Followed Him No More, when he said these things? None.
Because they understood perfectly, he was speaking symbolically. Christ never held a door in his hands and said, this Is my body, Christ never took a vine in his hands and said, this Is my blood. Christ did take bread in his hands and said, this Is my body, Christ did take a cup of wine in his hands and said, this Is my blood. **
When Christ said in Jn6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?] The crowd, of Jewish unbelievers, who followed him because they were fed with the loaves and fish questioned How? Because they clearly understood his meaning to be literal.
[Jn6:53 Then **Jesus said
unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.] Jesus states it more strongly, making it even more clear, my flesh is meat indeed, my blood is drink indeed. It was a hard saying, because they understood him literally. His meaning was literal not symbolic. A symbol would not have been a hard saying, but an easy saying to accept.
Jn6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?] Now a second group, his *disciples *, are finding it a hard saying and murmured, questioning How.
[Jn6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, **he said unto them, Doth this offend you?] It would have offended and disgusted me, not knowing How. I would have thought he wanted us to eat his body and drink his blood when he died.
That's why he gives his flesh and blood to eat under the appearance of bread and wine. It does not offend or disgust it looks, feels, smells, tastes as bread and wine. We know How now. We recognize him in the breaking of bread, as those on the road to Emmaus.
Lk24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. …. 31-34 …. 35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.]
Some find believing he is present under the appearance of bread and wine, an impossible hard saying. Today, many still fail the test asking how or saying it is symbolic.
[Jn6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the **flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.]
Some claim Jn6:63 proves Christ was speaking symbolically. Yet it was After saying this many of His disciples, not just the crowd, walked no more with him. Why would his disciples leave if Christ confirmed a symbolic meaning? They left because they knew He meant it literally and took him at his Word. CONTINUEDHi, J!
I've highlighted a portion of your post because this is an excellent argument; it hits on the visual effect!
...I could almost picture Jesus holding a heavy door over His head so that... 'can those in the back see it?'
...but the comparison is tremendous!