[quote=AlanFromWichita]We are all the same kind of Catholic. Sinful.
Labels to set us apart into our relative worthiness tempt us into judging one over another, which divides the Church and is evil.
An “orthodox” Catholic has just as much responsibility to respect and be sensitive to the feelings and failings and temporal/spiritual needs of a brother in the Church as any other “kind” of Catholic.
Lets understand why I am raising the question. I believe in adherence to the Magisterium and the Vicar of Christ. The bottom line is that trust in the Holy Spirit without Obedience to these two things is not just a clanging cymbal it is a giant gong. I’ll keep repeating that.
While I must respect all human beings, I wish not to “belong” to a group of Catholics who value “choice” of which teachings they will adhere to. I’ve been in parishes where I don’t know who to trust, including the priests and there is evidence of it here in these forums when people speak of getting outrageous advice, telling a penitent that self-abuse is not only ok, but encourages it. I don’t have to accept this and won’t. We all have trouble following the teachings here and there, but the key point is willingness to obey and not try to change the Church to suit our own personal desires.
Jesus was smart enough to know that if he left it up to each individual to simply figure it all out on their own, everyone’s compass would be pointing in a different direction. No, Jesus set the compass at North and that is where we go. He gave us the gifts of the Papacy and Magisterium in a concept that says one ship cannot have 10 captains and expect to sail straight. One cannot bend the compass needle and proclaim to be going north. It is a fallacy. This is relativism and it has invaded the Catholic Church, causing significant damage along the way.
I do respect all human beings including those with whom I disagree, but I do not have to embrace their false doctrines. Orthodox Catholics in general are faithful to the Magisterium and to the successor of Peter and I prefer to hang out with these people so that I can grow in understanding of the Lord’s word with them.
Obedience out of knowledge is good, but obedience out of trust in the Holy Spirit is what the Lord expects of us and what He treasures the most. The Church has spoken time and again about its reasons why gay marriage and women priests, celibate priesthoood, etc., are not going to change at this time, but groups of Catholics continue to press it. Well, I’m not going to say that we are all in one big happy family because that kind of poison is going to cost a great deal of people plenty. Time that could be spent in acts of charity and kindness, and in prayer, and in practicing humility are traded off for acts of pride and selfish desire. Sure God has Love and Mercy, and that is I’ve heard in my parishes over the last 20 years. You know what? They missed Justice and talk of sin. In some parishes the word no longer exists and was escorted out the door with reverence and profound prayer, humility and obedience.
I had no label for myself until I saw Michael Rose’s definition and it fit my bill.
If the Holy Spirit intends for us women to be included in the priesthood, He does not require picket signs, blatant disobedience and outright disrespect of the Holy See and bishops to make it happen. Rather, He is quite capable of influencing even an elderly Pope who may seem to be lost back in time. This is the power of the Holy Spirit - it does not matter.
It is an arrogant assumption to make that WE know better than the Holy Spirit and it certainly must crush Him when people feel He is incapable of guiding the Papacy and Magisterium in the direction God wants it to go. This is called “hearing out own voice and thinking it is the voice of God”.
I have a real beef with Catholics who continue to hammer the Church for change. I say to you that even a 100 year old Theologian has nothing on the 2000 years of refined comprehension the Catholic Church has had.
I’ve been spending years in parishes where the vast majority of people believe in a Catholic free-for-all, picking and choosing what to believe. I’ve abandoned that and now I go to where the orthodox reside - those of obedient heart.
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