[quote=Anthony]I’ve been reading through this thread and the previous thread and I must admit that I really don’t understand Beng’s intense opposition to what has been describes as “fake tongues.”
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Beng has consistently proclaimed that unless it passes the test it is not real and it is therefore not from God, but didn’t Jesus himself say that we are not to put God to the test? Mt 4:7.
First of all, Tongues is NOT God (a skewed charismatic freudian slip?)
Second of all, if it’s FAKE, like 99% of em, then it’s not putting God to the test.
I for one would rather be disobeying Paul’s instructions to the Corinthians that I would want to disobey Jesus himself.
What a Protestant way of thinking. By that statement you are questioning the authority of the inspired scripture. The Holy Spirit would not contradict itself.
Plus, there’s always this verse:
"He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
I think that it is also important to read the Paulist letters in the context of who they were written for. When I took my RCIA class last year, our Deacon always encouraged me to read the scripture for its full context, or we are in danger of becoming fundamentalist in our reading.
You may want to refer to Newadvent.org for understanding of the context concerning tongue. Click Here
I really don’t see why Bengs seems so focused on the need for an interpretor to verify the validity of the tongues.
Read the verse on this initial post.
That reasoning seems as ignorant as if we were in a room of English speakers and someone suddenly started speaking in German and we being Americans who don’t know how to speak German would profess that it is a fake language that doesn’t mean anything.
Well, that is what Paul said. Read the verse. If there’s no interpreter then DON’T SAY IT!! No need to speak tongues in front of believer when there’s no interpreter. It doesn’t edify the church. Why don’t you read the verse?
I’ve been to different types of Charismatic prayer meetings. Some are very formal with organized periods in which the congregation will pray in tongues only during a very holy moments,
Was there an interpreter? If not than it’s wrong according to the Bible. Amongst believer, there has to be an interpreter.
such as after a prayer that invokes the Holy Spirit or a prayer that is focused on “High Priase” to God.
Invoke Holy Spirit? HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD!
In these moments those that do pray in tongues do so in a private way and do not force or belittle others that do not speak in tongues to do so.
As long as they do it within the congregation then IT’S NEVER APPROPRIATE! Read the verse.
If they wanna do it in private, then do it in private in their own time. If they wanna do it in a congregation, there better be an interpreter.
I have also been to more informal meetings in which the entire prayer meeting seems to be focused on the tongues and if you don’t speak tongues you would feel left out.
Maybe the second type is the more flaunting type that Beng speaks of,
I think both are wrong. Altho the second one is worst.
but I think that what Beng might be missing from his/her experiences is that most of Beng’s experiences are observation.
Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Just like the comment of many Charismatics. Three people already come to that conclusion. However one poster David Ancell already said how he attend the so call Life In The Spirit seminar and didn’t get in tune with the Charismatic craze. Are you gonna say that he’s just observing?
So anyone who don’t get it are just observing???
For those that do speak in tongues the interpretation is there in their hearts, people understand that the gift of tongues is a personal prayer to God.
If it in their heart, feel free to communicate it to the congregation. If not then keep it to yourselves.
If prophecy does occur, then praise God! But if prophecy does not occur, I do not see why we need to belittle those that are open to God.
Prophecy or interpretationMUST occur because that is what Pauls said. It’s in the Bible. The Bible is innerant.
Really, if the tongues are real, then it wouldn’t be so hard to ask for interpretation. But why is that 99% of Charismatic movement just do tongue without interpretation?
One could already smell that something’s wrong.