[quote="Ignatius, post:8, topic:163141"]
Your paraphrase is, but not what St. Augustine actually says.is:
"That Bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God IS THE BODY OF CHRIST. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, IS THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. Through that bread and wine the Lord Christ willed to commend HIS BODY AND BLOOD, WHICH HE POURED OUT FOR US UNTO THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS." (Sermons 227)
"What you see is the bread and the chalice; that is what your own eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that THE BREAD IS THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THE CHALICE [WINE] THE BLOOD OF CHRIST." (Sermons 272)
Seems pretty clear to me.
I am bumping this very old thread because I have been looking into the OP's topic and in my search came across this thread. So instead of starting a new one I hope this is ok.
It doesn't seem as clear to me now that I have looked deeper into Augustine's words. Or at least I can understand better the Protestant view on Augustine.
Christian Doctrine III 16: 24. If the sentence is one of command, either forbidding a crime or vice, or enjoining an act of prudence or benevolence, it is not figurative. If, however, it seems to enjoin a crime or vice, or to forbid an act of prudence or benevolence, it is figurative. "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man," says Christ, "and drink His blood, ye have no life in you."(2) This seems to enjoin a crime or a vice; it is therefore a figure, enjoining that we should have a share in the sufferings of our Lord, and that we should retain a sweet and profitable *memory of the fact that His flesh was wounded and crucified for us. *
Why does this not mean the Eucharist is figurative where we retain a memory of the Crucifixion?
Sermon 272, "what is to be understood provides spiritual fruit. So if you want to understand the body of Christ, listen to the apostle telling the faithful, You, though, are the body of Christ and its members (1 Cor 12:27). So if it's you that are the body of Christ and its members, it's the mystery meaning you that has been placed on the Lord's table; what you receive is the mystery that means you. It is to what you are that you reply Amen"
"One bread; what is this one bread? The one body which we, being many, are."
Why are these words not saying it is the people who are the body and the bread, and when one says Amen at the altar it is to affirm that one is a member of the body?
Tractate 27, "He was to ascend into heaven, of course, whole: When you shall see the Son of man ascending where He was before; certainly then, at least, you will see that not in the manner you suppose does He dispense His body; certainly then, at least, you will understand that His grace is not consumed by tooth-biting."
Why does this not mean Christ's body is in heaven and grace is not achieved by literally eating His literal flesh?