Did Jesus Visit India?


#1

Hi

I give hereunder an article, for inormation and discussion of the members, from newdawnmagazine.com/Article/Did_Jesus_Visit_India.html

A new feature film “The Unknown Stories of the Messiah” ignited considerable controversy when it was released in India last year by claiming Jesus journeyed to the East after the crucifixion, studied Hinduism and Buddhism, and was buried in a tomb in Kashmir.

        Responding to attacks from India’s Christian leaders, the film’s producer Subhrajit Mitra pointed out that while “neither the Bible nor the mainstream ‘gospels’ give credence to such theories… there is evidence in Hindu, Muslim, and Buddhist scriptures of Jesus staying in India.” 
        He said that a “Jesus-like man” finds mention “in the holy books of Jerusalem, Alexandria, Turkey, Persia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tibet and India.”
        The Indian film-maker was inspired by the writings of nineteenth century Russian adventurer Nicolai Notovitch and the German scholar Holga Kersten. Notovitch wrote a book, The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ, after his visit to the Ladakh region in Jammu and Kashmir state in 1887. A century later, intrigued by Notovitch’s account of Jesus traveling to the East, Holga Kersten produced two best-selling books Jesus Lived in India and The Jesus Conspiracy. 
        Both authors relate popular legends and stories which tell of Jesus visiting Ladakh and the Kashmir valley, as well as Varanasi city, which is in India’s north-central state of Uttar Pradesh.
        They allege that Jesus was buried in an ancient tomb built in the Kan Yar area of Kashmir’s Srinagar district. They also suggest that Jesus first came to India as a child to learn from Hindu gurus, and later returned to Palestine to teach what he studied in the East. He survived the crucifixion and returned to India where he died at age 120.
        Notovitch asserted that in 1887, while at the secluded Himis monastery in Ladakh, he was shown a manuscript which discussed the “unknown life” of Jesus, or “Issa,” as he was supposedly called in the East. This Issa text, translated for Notovitch from Tibetan by a monk/lama, alleged that during his “lost years” Jesus was educated by yogis in India, Nepal and “the Himalaya Mountains.”
        Stating that he felt the manuscript to be “true and genuine,” Notovitch maintained its contents were written “immediately after the Resurrection,” while the manuscript itself purportedly dated from the third century of the Common Era. Notovitch related that the “two manuscripts” he was shown at Himis were “compiled from diverse copies written in the Thibetan tongue, translated from rolls belonging to the Lassa library and brought from India, Nepal, and Maghada 200 years after Christ.”
        When Notovitch returned to Europe there was much debate as to the authenticity of the manuscript he claimed to have studied. He was also accused of being an impostor who never visited the places he described. One skeptic was Swami Abhedananda. 
        Abhedananda journeyed into the arctic region of the Himalayas, determined to find a copy of the Himis manuscript or to expose the fraud. His book of travels, entitled Kashmir O Tibetti, tells of a visit to the Himis gonpa and includes a Bengali translation of two hundred twenty-four verses essentially the same as the Notovitch text. Abhedananda was thereby convinced of the authenticity of the Issa legend. 
            In 1925, another Russian, Nicolai Roerich arrived at Himis. Roerich was a philosopher, scientist and gifted artist. He apparently saw the same documents as Notovitch and Abhedananda. And he recorded in his own travel diary the same legend of Issa.
             While doing research for his film “The Unknown Stories of the Messiah,” Subhrajit Mitra was particularly stunned by a story in the Bhavishya Maha Purana which tells of an encounter between King Shalivahana and a holy man referred to as Issa-Masih (Jesus the Messiah) near Srinagar, long after the crucifixion. It describes Issa’s arrival in the Kashmir region and how King Shalivahana, who ruled the Kushan area (39-50 CE), entertained the visiting holy man as a guest for some time. Compiled in 115 CE, the Bhavishya Maha Purana is one of the 18 holy books of Hinduism.
              Author and researcher Holga Kersten says there are more than twenty one historical documents that bear witness to the existence of Jesus in India, where in addition to being known as Issa, he is also called “Yuz Asaf.” In Jesus Lived in India, first published in German in 1983, Kersten offers a thorough, methodical and authoritative examination of the evidence of Christ’s life beyond the Middle East before the crucifixion and in India and elsewhere after it.
        According to Kersten, the many stories of Jesus journeying to the East are important because they highlight the “vital importance to find again the path to the sources, to the eternal and central truths of Christ’s message, which has been shaken almost beyond recognition by the profane ambitions of more or less secular institutions arrogating to themselves a religious authority. This is an attempt to open a way to a new future, firmly founded in the true spiritual and religious sources of the past.”

The above article appears in
New Dawn No. 101 (Mar-Apr 2007)
© Copyright New Dawn Magazine, newdawnmagazine.com. Permission granted to freely distribute this article for non-commercial purposes if unedited and copied in full, including this notice.


#2

paarsurrey,

at first your posts were humorous, although I do not think they were intended to be so.

To make a wild allegation and find support in your own periodical as proof of that allegation is beyond the pale.

You are fishing here. And your bait is more than 3 days old (as per Ben Franklin’s adage…)

Every thread you begin has a hidden purpose to justify your amalgam belief system.

You do not seek discussion. You only want to proselytize.

Robert


#3

paarsurrey,
Give it a rest, Jesus did not die in India, he died in Jerusalem. Nobody believes that nonsense. Just drop it.


#4

No reason Jesus couldl not have gone to India, or to Great Britian (specifically in Cornwall) as one legend says. There was trade with both places.

And there’s no reason why He could not have just stayed home in Palestine, either.

Right?


#5

No reason that Jesus could not have gone to Palm Springs or may Malibu. But I don’t think so, do you?


#6

#7

paarsurrey must like Monty Python

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The idea that Jesus died in India is just another point in which his faith is considered un-Islamic by Moslems.


#8

http://www.modernsurf.com/spam/monty-real.jpg

If he is, he will appreciate this pic then…


#9

Hi

You are simply not correct.
Quran is in its support.
Deep NTBible evidences are in its support.
Islamic Historical evidences are in its support.
Ancient Medical evidences are in its support.
Buddhistic Historical evidences are in its support.
Hindu Historical evidences are in its support.
Sign of Jonah is in its support.
Holger Kersten, a German research Scholar is ints support.
BBC documentry is its support.

In addition to the above Word of GodAllahYHWH, revealed on the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 the DivineGuide, supports it.
This is the DivineDesign and Strategy to unite Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam in a very very peaceful way.

I think everyone should make a little research and accept it and support it.

May GodAllahYHWH give my friends research eyes and ears to accept it, however , no compulsion.

Thanks


#10

Pax tecum, Paarsurrey!

I’m not so quick to give up my faith in Jesus as Savior, Messiah, and God as to just “make a little research and accept and support it.” I do, however, wish to examine this claim further. If you could, would you please provide the following:

[LIST=1]
*]Quotations from the Quran that support this theory;
*]The evidence present in the New Testament and how “deep” they are in scripture, along with relevant publications by Islamic theologians on this theory;
*]Names of the Islamic Historians that support this theory, as well as any relevant articles published in historic journals (peer reviewed if available) as a result of their research;
*]Names of medical doctors and historians who examined the “ancient medical evidence” as well as any relevant articles published as a result of their research;
*]Explanation of the historical Buddhist view, along with relevant Buddhist scripture;
*]Explanation of the historical Hindu position, as well as relevant Hindu scripture;
*]Explanation of the interpretation of the Sign of Jonah that leads to this theory;
*]Articles published by Holger Kersten in original German language as well as English translation;
*]A synopsis of the BBC documentary on this theory and any relevant information that will allow us to view said documentary on our own as well as a bibliography from the documentary;
*]Reasons we should accept the word of the “Promised Messiah 1835-1908” as cannon and give our own support of this theory
[/LIST]

Until these 10 issues are satisfactorily discussed, I’m afraid none of us here at CAF will give this position any of our time. While Catholics do take the word of authority from the Magisterium, it does not mean we will give the same privilege to any authority figure of another faith.

-Pax


#11

I can accept that people will claim that Jesus went to India. I can accept that people will claim that God does not exist. People can be a strange species.

There are even some people who would claim that prophecy is wrong. But not me. You see, I’ve done more than “a little research”. And you’ll not convince me otherwise.


#12

Good luck getting a response.

Everytime I’ve questioned that poster he’s given me more spam or said he’s not here to debate.


#13

Still spouting rubbish, I see!!


#14

I am not convinced because I am a Catholic.
I am not convinced because I am not sure what meaning this would have in regard to what we believe about Jesus and his teachings.
If Jesus went to india, that would be fine with me. It would not change anything I believe in.
However, for you paarasurry- would your faith be rocked and crumble if this India story was crushed to pieces?


#15

Sorry, I am not convinced that the above is a valid argument.
A Catholic has to believe whatever is the truth, irrespective of what the scribes have written. Jesus taught morals and this is a foremost moral to believe a truth. You know the scribes were mortals, they could make mistakes, a Catholic has not to necessarily share in their mistakes. Jesus would never like it, nor the Church should, in my opinion.

If Jesus went to india, that would be fine with me. It would not change anything I believe in.

That is very fine. I don’t want you to convert anywhere, remain a Catholic, rather accepting a truth would make you a morally better and steadfast Catholic in my opinion.

However, for you paarasurry- would your faith be rocked and crumble if this India story was crushed to pieces?

Whatever happens to my faith does not matter, if it is a truth I must accept it.

By believing that Jesus went to India, it gives me a lot of satisfaction:

  1. It proves that Jesus was a truthful ProphetMessenger and his prophecy/sign that he would show Sign of Jonah got fullfilled. Jonah came out from the belly of the fish alive, so must Jesus not die on Cross, he should be saved life against all odds miraculously.

  2. Jonah’s people when he went to them after when he came out of the belly of the fish alive, they all accepted him. Similarly, when Jesus went to the lost tribes of Israel residing India and neighboring countries, they all accepted him.

Thanks


#16

please PLEASE PLEASE ****PRETTY PLEASE
Do not encourage him


#17

Hi

I mention some of the sources against 10 points mentioned in your post:

  1. Quotations from the Quran that support this theory;
    There are about 30 verses/places in Quran in which this issue has been discussed. Just view some by accessing:
    alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html
    Please study chapter-2 of the above book.
  2. The evidence present in the New Testament and how “deep” they are in scripture, along with relevant publications by Islamic theologians on this theory;
    Please study chapter-1 of the above book.
  3. Names of the Islamic Historians that support this theory, as well as any relevant articles published in historic journals (peer reviewed if available) as a result of their research;
    Please study chapter-4, Section-1 of the above book.
  4. Names of medical doctors and historians who examined the “ancient medical evidence” as well as any relevant articles published as a result of their research;
    Please study chapter-3 of the above book.
  5. Explanation of the historical Buddhist view, along with relevant Buddhist scripture;
    Please study chapter-4, Section-2 of the above book.
  6. Explanation of the historical Hindu position, as well as relevant Hindu scripture;
    newdawnmagazine.com/Artic…sit_India.html
  7. Explanation of the interpretation of the Sign of Jonah that leads to this theory;
    alislam.org/library/books/christianity_facts_to_fiction/index.html
    Chapter-4
  8. Articles published by Holger Kersten in original German language as well as English translation;
    sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm
  9. A synopsis of the BBC documentary on this theory and any relevant information that will allow us to view said documentary on our own as well as a bibliography from the documentary;
    Did Jesus die on the Cross? a BBC documentary
    video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1669658378154953060&q
  10. Reasons we should accept the word of the “Promised Messiah 1835-1908” as cannon and give our own support of this theory
    The first and primary source on **“Jesus was not killed on Cross” **– but Jesus later died naturally in Kashmir, in India is the pristine Word of God revealed on the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi 1835-1908, who is a claimant of Second Coming of Jesus(metaphoric), as Jesus had prophesized.
    The Word of GodAllahYHWH is and had always been the first/authentic and primary source of human knowledge whether revealed on Moses/Buddha/Jesus/Muhammad or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; it is of itself a complete and without doubt source which requires no external witnessing.

Kindly start your research, and more will be provided, when you are finished with these.

Thanks


#18

Hi

I have provided some of the resources in my previous post . It is upto you that you make your won research, others could only help you in this. GodAllahYHWH guides His humble servants, let Him be with you.

I don’t want that you should leave Jesus, rather you would be more firm in your belief in Jesus and you would more love him and Mary as I do. For this you won’t have to even convert to anywhere else; you would become a more steadfast Catholic with this research.

Thanks


#19

He answered…
:hypno:


#20

Law of averages


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