[quote="1voice, post:1, topic:280238"]
As a Catholic kid ... I heard the prayer/song at least a thousand times... Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.
If, as the words indicate, Mary was without sin, the logical conclusion is that she was not in need of a Savior.
Did you not hear what the early church fathers said about this in your Catholic childhood?
Well you must have heard what Martin Luther said?
“It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary's soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very
infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God's gifts, receiving a pure soul
infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin" (Sermon: "On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” 1527 Luther).:shrug:
You've been reading way to many fast google protestant sights which teach a new history from 1850 foward. There is only One Word of God. The Truth was the Truth is the Truth, its doesn't change. And you can take this to the bank. It surely didn't change in 1850.
Mary was more in need of the Savior than anyone. :thumbsup: