Did Trent reject certain books that Hippo and Carthage declared?


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Did Trent accept a different Canon than Hippo and Carthage? Did Trent reject a book that Hippo and Carthage accepted? The following quote I get from this website:

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The problem with this is that the canon decreed by the North African councils differed from that decreed by the Council of Trent in the sixteenth century on one important point. Hippo and Carthage stated that 1 Esdras and 2 Esdras were canonical. They were referring to the Septuagint version of 1 and 2 Esdras because that was the Bible their Latin version was based upon. In that version, 1 Esdras was the apocryphal additions to Ezra and Nehemiah not found in the Hebrew Bible, while 2 Esdras was the canonical version of Ezra-Nehemiah. The Jews only acknowledged Ezra and Nehemiah which they combined into one book. This was 2 Esdras in the Septuagint version. It was Jerome (in his Latin Vulgate) who separated Ezra and Nehemiah into two books calling them 1 Esdras and 2 Esdras respectively. This became standard for the Vulgate and the basis upon which Trent declared the Septuagint 1 Esdras to be uncanonical. 1 Esdras in the Septuagint then became 3 Esdras in the Vulgate and the other Apocryphal apocalyptic work of 3 Esdras became 4 Esdras in the Vulgate.


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But why did they list them in Hippo and Carthage and not Trent? Was one of the councils wrong. Does this destroy the argument that we’ve had our Canon established since the 380-90’s?


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What do you mean that you have had your canon established since 380-390’s? The earlier councils were provincial in nature and did not set the canon for the church universal.

Trent was the first dogmatic council that established the canon.


#6

Not completely. The Eastern Rite Catholics have those same books.


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So the Catholic Church has two Canon’s floating around? Was the Canon not closed once and for all with Trent’s dogmatic pronouncement?

This means that the Latin Church either doesn’t have a complete Canon (despite Trent dogmatically closing the Canon), or the Eastern Church has an incorrect Canon, correct?


#8

I actually look at the Council of Trent and it did not close the Canon of Scripture. It only affirm the Canon of Scripture from the previous Councils with the exception of certain books which are not part of the Catholic canon.


#9

Thank you for your answer. I just read in Jimmy Akin’s blog where he did a really good job of explaining the same thing:

jimmyakin.org/2005/04/ad_simplicium_c.html


#10

Small point with potentially significant impact: Hippo & Carthage were not councils. They were only synods. Synods do not have the authority of councils.


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