Different religions and what God REALLY intended!


#1

I had a conversation with my mother yesterday while visiting her (oh please pray for her because they may think she might have bone cancer! :frowning: )about religions and different beliefs.

I wanted her opinion so I asked her why there were so many religions and different beliefs, etc. how can you find truth with that, etc. and she told me that it would be boring if there was just one religion. It’s the different people and beliefs that makes the world! I told her that’s fine but did God really intend to have all these religions and all or did God want ONE TRUTH! I know she knows that Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life” (John 14:6) and said it again to let her know what I was getting at. I can’t remember what she said! :stuck_out_tongue:

Okay, now my question is, did God REALLY intend all these different religions, whether inside Christianity or outside Christianity? I told my mom too about where Jesus told us to make disciples of all nations (Matthew something can’t remember the passage) because He is the Truth. If God did let’s say intend different religions, than that sounds to me like we should just leave others alone to their own “religion”. Do I make sense?

I know God gave us a free will but were we stupid enough to make different beliefs? I’m not trying to sound like I’m saying other religions are stupid, NO, my point is, is this what God intended because if He did, I’ll shut my yap about it! If He didn’t intend it, then we should go “make diciples of all nations”.

I can’t think. It’s too early… :yawn: :sleep:


#2

How about this:

(1) Yes, God desires all humans to follow one truth, and

(2) Yes, God likes religious diversity as well.

(No one said God had to be consistent. :D)


#3

[quote=Ahimsa]How about this:

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(2) Yes, God likes religious diversity as well.

(No one said God had to be consistent. :D)
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I don’t think so! :frowning:


#4

[quote=Ahimsa]How about this:

(1) Yes, God desires all humans to follow one truth, and

(2) Yes, God likes religious diversity as well.

(No one said God had to be consistent. :D)
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By no means did God intend for religious diversity .


#5

quote=Ahimsa Yes, God likes religious diversity as well.
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no, no. there is only one God, one Truth, Life and Way (The Christ), one Holy Catholic Church. Truth is only there. Other religions are consequence of man sin and blindness. God hates religious diversity, God wants only one Faith, the True Faith. That’s why Jesus Incarnated. That all of us became One.


#6

[quote=barsapp]no, no. there is only one God, one Truth, Life and Way (The Christ), one Holy Catholic Church. Truth is only there. Other religions are consequence of man sin and blindness. God hates religious diversity, God wants only one Faith, the True Faith. That’s why Jesus Incarnated. That all of us became One.
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True. I don’t think Shiva or Buddha said that they are the way, truth and life!

Only Jesus Christ said that!


#7

[quote=Ahimsa]How about this:

(1) Yes, God desires all humans to follow one truth, and

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Well, then why the heck do not all follow the Truth?


#8

Jesus prays to the Father in John17:21-23 “I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me. And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as one, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me.”

I would say that God probably does not hate people who belong to other Churches and Religions, but loving all of mankind there is a desire on the part of Jesus that those that follow him, in particular all Christians, be united in the one Church which he founded. He built his Church, singular, on the rock that was Peter.


#9

God likes diversity–there are what–something like 26 rites withint the one Catholic Church. Now that’s diversity.

Latin at St. Michael’s parish.

Guitars at St. Perpetua’s.

That’s diversity.


#10

Futher Jesus speaking of the situation just before he dies says.“I am the good shepherd, and I know mine and mine know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I will lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd.” John10:14-16 There is more than one rite in the Catholic Church which makes for diversity, but they all are united under Peter who is found in the current Pope.


#11

quote=Ahimsa Yes, God desires all humans to follow one truth
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The problem is that many people want to define “truth” without any interference from God.


#12

[quote=rwoehmke]Futher Jesus speaking of the situation just before he dies says.“I am the good shepherd, and I know mine and mine know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I will lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd.” John10:14-16 There is more than one rite in the Catholic Church which makes for diversity, but they all are united under Peter who is found in the current Pope.
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Yes, different rites in Communion with the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church are much different than other religions.


#13

[quote=JimO]The problem is that many people want to define “truth” without any interference from God.
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Yeah! Kinda like when Pilate asked, “What is truth?”


#14

[quote=rwoehmke]Jesus prays to the Father in John17:21-23 “I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me. And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as one, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me.”
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In this prayer, offered to the father the night befor the crucifiction, Jesus prayed for a visible supernatural unity in his Church, as illustrated by the repetition of the phrase, “so that they may be one.”

James 5:16 “The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.”

Jesus is perfectly righteous.

How can Protestantism be His “church” when Protestant was nothing but disentegration, splintering, not unified, a frightening proliferation of squabbling, competing denominations, many masquerading under the title “non-denominational.”

Was His prayer for the unity of His Church realized? YES!!

The answer is in the Catholic Church.

Jesus prayed for unity. He established the Church on Peter. He said the gates of hell would not prevail over his Church. He does not lie!!


#15

[quote=Ahimsa]How about this:

(1) Yes, God desires all humans to follow one truth, and

(2) Yes, God likes religious diversity as well.

(No one said God had to be consistent. :D)
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God is perfect. If he is not consistent then He’s not perfect any longer. It’s like that circle is also a square. The statement doesn’t make sense.


#16

[quote=JimG]Latin at St. Michael’s parish. Guitars at St. Perpetua’s. That’s diversity.
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the former: right. the latter: wrong.
that is not diversity. that is the right thing and the wrong thing.


#17

[quote=barsapp]no, no. there is only one God, one Truth, Life and Way (The Christ), one Holy Catholic Church. Truth is only there.

[quote]Other religions are consequence of man sin and blindness

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:mad:
Why don’t you take the blinders off? I suppose your church hiding priest’s that raped and molested innocent kids was being truthful.
There are as many problems or untruths in Catholicism as there are in many other religions. I’m sorry for being so harsh but it makes me sick to read such arrogance. It is CHRIST’S church not yours. The Catholic Church is your organization, not Christ’s church. Your quote about other religions is the same reason there problems in the Catholic church,

consequence of man sin and blindness

Please read 1 Peter 5:5
James 4:6
Luke 1:51

Thanks.
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#18

To get a better idea (not from the msm) read the John Jay report for yourself about priests.

You are correct it is Christ’s church and we as humans do not have authority to change His reachings do we?

Please read these verses:

THE CHURCH
Mt 16:18-19 - upon this rock I will build my Church
Mt 18:17 - if he refuses to listen even to the Church…
Mt 28:18-20 - go baptize and teach all nations
Mk 16:15-16 - go to whole world and proclaim gospel
Lk 10:16 - whoever hears you, hears me; rejects you, rejects me.
Jn 14:16, 26 - Holy Spirit with you always, teach/remind you of everything
Jn 16:13 - Spirit of truth will guide you to all truth.
1Tim 3:15 - Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

The Church is the body of Christ
Col 1:18 - He is the head of the body, the church.
1 Cor 12:20-27 - you are Christ’s body, individually parts of it.
Eph 5:30 - we are members of His body.
Rom 12:4-5 - though many, we are one body in Christ
1 Cor 6:15 - Don’t you know your bodies are members of Christ?

The Church must be one
Jn 10:16 - there will be one fold and one shepherd.
Eph 4:3-6 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father
Rom 16:17 - I urge that there be no divisions among you
1Cor 1:10 - I urge that there be no divisions among you
Phil 2:2 - be of same mind, united in heart thinking one thing
Rom 15:5 - God grant you to think in harmony with one another
Jn 17:17-23 - I pray that they may be one, as we are one
Jn 17:23 - that they may be brought to perfection as one
1Cor 12:13 - in one spirit we are baptized into one body
Rom 12:5 - we, though many, are one body in Christ
Eph 4:4 - one body, one Spirit, called to be one hope
Col 3:15 - the peace into which you were called in one body
Mt 16:18-19 - upon this rock I will build my Church (singular)
Mt 18:17 - tell it to THE Church; if he refuses to listen even to THE Church… (must be visible)

Apostolic Church
Jn 15;16 - Jesus chose special men to be his Apostles
Jn 20:21 - Jesus gave the Apostles his own mission
Lk 22:29-3 - Jesus gave them a kingdom
Mt 16:18 - Jesus built Church on Peter, the rock
Jn 10:16 - one shepherd to shepherd Christ’s sheep
Lk 22:32, Jn 21:17 - Peter appointed to be chief shepherd
Eph 4;11 - church leaders are hierarchical
1Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - identifies roles of bishops, priests, deacons
Tit 1:5 - commission for bishops to ordain priests

Authoritative Church
Mt 28:18-20 - Jesus delegates all power to Apostles
Jn 20:23 - power to forgive sin
1Cor 11:23-24 - power to offer sacrifice (Eucharist)
Lk 10:16 - power to speak with Christ’s voice
Mt 18:18 - power to legislate
Mt 18:17 - power to discipline

Infallible Church
Jn 16:13 - guided by Holy Spirit into all truth
Jn 14:26 - Holy Spirit to teach & remind them of everything
Lk 10:16 - speak with Christ’s own voice
1Tim 3:15 - Church called "pillar and foundation of truth"
1Jn 2:27 - anointing of Holy Spirit remains in you
Acts 15:28 - Apostles speak with voice of Holy Spirit
Mt 28:20 - I am with you

Perpetual Church
Is 9:6-7 - of Christ’s government there will be no end
Dan 2:44 - God’s kingdom shall stand forever
Dan 7:14 - His kingdom shall not be destroyed
Lk 1:32, 33 - no end to Christ’s kingdom
Mt 7:24 - Jesus is like a wise man who built his house on a rock
Mt 13:24-30 - let wheat & weeds grow together until harvest
Mt 16:18 - gates of hell will never prevail against Christ’s church
Jn 14:16 - Holy Spirit will be with you always
Mt 28:19-20 - I am with you all days
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#19

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PAPACY & APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION
Primacy of Peter
Mt 16:18 - upon this rock (Peter) I will build my church
Mt 16;19 - give you keys of the kingdom; power to bind & loose
Lk 22:32 - Peter’s faith will strengthen his brethren
Jn 21:17 - given Christ’s flock as chief shepherd
Mk 16:7 - angel sent to announce Resurrection to Peter
Lk 24:34 - risen Jesus first appeared to Peter
Acts 1:13-26 - headed meeting which elected Matthias
Acts 2:14 - led Apostles in preaching on Pentecost
Acts 2:41 - received first converts
Acts 3:6-7 - performed first miracle after Pentecost
Acts 5:1-11 - inflicted first punishment: Ananias & Saphira
Acts 8:21 - excommunicated first heretic, Simon Magnus
Acts 10:44-46 - received revelation to admit Gentiles into Church
Acts 15:7 - led first council in Jerusalem
Acts 15:19 - pronounces first dogmatic decision
Gal 1:18 - after conversion, Paul visits chief Apostle
*Gal 2:11-14 - I opposed Cephas to his face for his hypocrisy
Peter’s name always heads list of Apostles: Mt 10;14; Mk 3:16-19; Lk 6:14-16; Acts 1:13
"Peter and his companions" Lk 9:32; Mk 16:7
Spoke for Apostles - Mt 18:21; Mk 8:29; Lk 8:45; 12:41; Jn 6:69
Peter’s name occurs 195 times, more than all the rest put together

Apostolic Succession
2 Chr 19:11 - high priest is over you in everything of Lord’s
Mal 2:7 - seek instruction from priest, he is God’s messenger
Eph 2:20 - Church built upon foundation of apostles & prophets
Eph 4:11 - God gave some as apostles, others as prophets…
1 Cor 12:28-29 - God designated in church: apostles, …
Acts 1:20 - let another take his office
Acts 1:25-26 - Matthias takes Judas’ apostolic ministry
1 Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - qualifications for: bishops, priests, & deacons
1Tim 4:14 - gift conferred with the laying on of hands
1Tim 5:22 - do not lay hands too readily on anyone
Acts 14:23 - they appointed presbyters in each church
2Tim 2:2 - what you heard from me entrust to faithful teachers
Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in every town, as I directed

SCRIPTURE AND TRADITION
Bible Alone or Bible Plus Tradition?
1 Cor 11:2 - hold fast to traditions I handed on to you
2 Thess 2:15 - hold fast to traditions, whether oral or by letter
2 Thess 3:6 - shun those acting not according to tradition
Jn 21:25 - not everything Jesus said recorded in Scripture
Mk 13:31 - heaven & earth shall pass away, but my word won’t
Acts 20;35 - Paul records a saying of Jesus not found in gospels
2Tim 1:13 - follow my sound words; guard the truth
2Tim2:2 - what you heard entrust to faithful men
2Pet 1:20 - no prophecy is a matter of private interpretation
2Pet 3:15-16 - Paul’s letters can be difficult to grasp & interpret
1Pet 1:25 - God’s eternal word = word preached to you
Rom 10:17 - faith come from what is heard
1Cor 15:1-2 - being saved if you hold fast to the word I preached
Mk 16:15 - go to the whole world, proclaim gospel to every creature
Mt 23:2-3 - chair of Moses; observe whatever they tell you

Tradition Condemned?
*Mt 15;3 - break commandment of God for your tradition
*Mk 7:9 - set aside God’s commandment to uphold tradition
*Col 2;8 - seductive philosophy according to human tradition

1Cor 11:2 - commends them for following Apostolic tradition
2Thess 2:15 - commands them to keep traditions
2Thess 3:6 - shun those acting not according to tradition


#20

Not trying to sound rude or anything NonDenom but don’t tell me you’re gonna sit there and tell us that nonCatholics are innocent! ALL churches have their own problems! We’re all sinners for crying out loud!

No, the CC IS Christ’s Church! There were NEVER Protestantism or other nondenoms that existed 2,000 years ago.
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