Do Protestants Really Hate Catholicism?

I think you may have misunderstood me. I probably wasn’t clear. I wasn’t suggesting Oprah’s good works weren’t filthy rags (assuming she denies Christ, which I’ve heard she does). Those works certainly are filthy. But I was referring to the fact that Jerry said that his works were filthy too…and I presumed (from my understanding of his faith), that he recognizes and submits to the presence of Christ within himself, and that the good works he does are done with his heart aligned to the King. These works are not filthy rags. These works are worthy of salvation, if done in perseverance to the end.

JL: If we could boast of works we could boast of faith also. We can’t boast as they are BOTH produced by the free gift of grace, our part is accepting or rejecting faith or good works, which we always have the free will to do at anytime in life.

JL: Without works there is no living faith. Works come by faith, but faith is sustained, grows and REMAINS ALIVE by works. BOTH faith and works are necessary for salvation. BOTH are produced by grace so no man can boast. BOTH require a free will act on our part, in accepting and acting, for either to produce what grace intends.

JL: You can also have faith that does not lead to good works. Look at the parable of the talents, they all HAD FAITH. [Mt25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, WHO CALLED HIS OWN SERVANTS, and DELIVERED UNTO THEM HIS GOODS.15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man ACCORDING TO HIS several ABILITY; and straightway took his journey.] Long story short, each was given talent or faith according to their abilities. Two of them put there talents (faith) to work and received more and were rewarded even more when their Master returned. One did not put his talent (faith) to work, even enough to earn interest. He buried his talent (faith) and earned nothing, so he was thrown into outer darkness where there is gnashing of teeth. Moral of the story, just because you have faith does not mean you will have good works. Faith does not automatically produce good works, as most Protestant teach.

Hello:eek: I just came off line and i couldn’t believe what i saw Jerry Marino I appoligize to you and all of you for feeling the way you do about Oprah Winfrey,she needs alot of prayer alot! You know what it says about the rich man and the camel well i seen that scripture come alive with my own eyes. Even so Lord Jesus Come! Love of Christ Nancy:(

JL: [Isa64:5 YOU come to the HELP of THOSE who gladly DO RIGHT, WHO REMEMBER YOUR WAYS. BUT WHEN WE CONTINUED TO SIN against them, you were angry. How then can we be saved? 6 ALL OF US have BECOME LIKE ONE who is UNCLEAN, and ALL OUR RIGHTEOUS ACTS ARE LIKE FILTHY RAGS; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind OUR SINS SWEEP US AWAY. 7 NO ONE CALLS ON YOUR NAME or strives to lay hold of you; for you have hidden your face from us and made us waste away BECAUSE OF OUR SINS.] This is one of those scriptures Protestants have always taken out of context. I don’t think any, who quote it, have ever read Isa64, they simply pass it on, in an oral tradition, from generation to generation. I know when I was Protestant I heard it preached and passed it on as fact, never reading Isa64.

The quote, “all our righteous acts are as filthy rags”, is just assumed to mean all good works are as filthy rags in God’s sight. In context it is talking about good works done in a state of mortal sin, those who have turned from God, read Isa64 the whole chapter. That’s why their righteous acts or good works are as filthy rags, they have no benefit before God. Works done in a state of grace (righteousness), for love of God, are not as filthy rags before God, but benefit the one doing them, by exercising faith making faith and God’s grace grow and increase in the faithful believer. Eph2:10 For WE ARE his workmanship, CREATED in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which GOD hath before ORDAINED that WE should WALK IN THEM. It is totally ridiculous to say, we are God’s workmanship created in Christ Jesus to walk in good works, which God himself has prepared and given the grace for those in Christ to do, then say they are filthy rags. 2Tm2:20 In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble. 21 If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, MADE HOLY, USEFUL TO THE MASTER and prepared TO DO ANY GOOD WORK. [Works done in a state of grace are not filthy rags.]

Jerry Marino, please go to my new post if you have a chance it is in Sacred Scripture and it is called It takes years to become a Priest but $25.00 to become a Minister. Please read it if you can Love of Christ Nancy

well, all I know is there are some Protestants round here that hate Catholics. One small example. ---- tn-biblecollege.edu/testing_catholic_claims.shtml

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:)Hi IrishDude45,I went to your site and all i can truly say is they are negative about alot of things look at what they say about the Moslems,and you may be able to pick up on the way they teach. I’m not done looking into this and i will go to the site agin and even contact someone there to see if they can answer some of my questions,some things look real good but could be made out of play dough,what i mean by that is when did they start and where did they get their degree from? And how many of their churches believe the same things? I just looked up the Federated church and i think they are a stick from Utah 8 woman and 2 men started it back in 1872. Anyone want to defend this? Love of Christ Nancy

i don’t understand some of you all i can say is that doesn’t change.

God bless

:rotfl:What don’t you understand? You can PM me with questions if you want to. :slight_smile:

Hi Jerry,

Just trying to catch up. I need a smilie for out of breath.:wink:
PM me if you want and I will get back after Easter.

Will be with you in spirit on this great feast of Christ’s resurrection! I’m glad you are you. :smiley:

Easter blessings,

granny

;)I went back to your site IrishDude45,and they are not an accredited colledge it is a certificate program. The $25.00 one offers just as much. You can get your MA in two years with little or no tuition fee, you cannot get federal funding for a student loan, the colledge started in 1979 they are out to Evangelize the World They do not believe in instrumental music of any kind only vocal,They are a new testement church only,Preacher can not be called Paster,rev,minister,you may call him by his first name or DR. Baptism every week for anyone new There is a North east church of Christ and a West End church of Christ. There slogan is IF YOU DONT WORK YOU DONT EAT! And they mean it,so you cannot get any help there! I have other question i asked but you pritty much know by now. Dont pay any attention to those who only believe in half the bible and dont feed people that are out of work,What are food pantrys for?? Love of Christ Nancy;) DA-DUTH DA!!!:shrug:

They don’t all hate Catholics. I’ve never seen an entire group feel exactly the same ever - about anything. Plus “hate” is a pretty strong word to be throwing around so freely.

My dad thinks anyone who isn’t Catholic hates all Catholics to the point he thinks they would be “out to get him” because he is Catholic. He is very intense when he talks about this, almost to the point of exhibiting hatred toward those he thinks hates Catholics.

It’s sad to waste such strong emotion on something so negative.

re. the negligant shepard fails to say to his sheep prepare you soul for the hour of temptation…

Judge not lest you be Judged…

My jesus I believe in you and all that you have taught because you have said it and your word is true,esp when you spoke at the last Supper John 6.

I believe ArchBishop Fulton Sheen once said that out of the millions of people who hate the Catholic Church less then 100 of them really understand what the Catholic Church is really, I don`t even think the number is that high,

                                               Peace BR              :thumbsup:

Oprah is a secular humanist. She believes in her “inner god”. I can’t judge her on how she stands with God, but if she believes that we are all little gods, He must be very disappointed in her at this point.

Wow, this thread made it 500!

:(You know you hit the nail right on the head, we had a man selling vinal siding and we were all talking and he got a little nasty after i said something and i said and i’m Catholic two and he said he was to then he stated"you know the Cathoilc church is a evil place and the Catholics dont even know they are of a evil background,Then i said i just went back and i’m staying there the people are wonderful and they pray and fight for what they believe in not like some of the other churches ive been in and studied with. He isstill a Catholic but he dosent go to church and he wont leave it either,isnt that luke warm? Love of Christ Nancy;)

I don’t consider myself a *Protestant *** as I’ve never protested the Catholic church. And I don’t hate Catholicism. I’m merely in disagreement with it.

The Catholic Church teaches:
Justification is a transformation of the soul in which original sin is removed and sanctifying grace infused [1987-1995]
The Bible teaches:
Justification is an act of God in which He declares a sinner to be righteous in His sight, having forgiven his sins and imputed to him God’s own righteousness (Romans 3:21-4:8)

The Catholic Church teaches:
Initial justification is by means of baptism [1262-1274]
The Bible teaches
Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28)

The Catholic Church teaches:
Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works [1247-1249].
The Bible teaches:
God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause (Ephesians 2:8-10).

The Catholic Church teaches:
The justified are in themselves beautiful and holy in God’s sight [1992, 1999-2000, 2024].
The Bible teaches: The justified are in Christ holy and blameless before God (Ephesians 1:1-14).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Justification is furthered by sacraments and good works [1212, 1392, 2010].
The Bible teaches: Justification is the imputation of the perfect righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In Christ the believer has been made complete (Colossians 2:10).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Justification is lost through mortal sin [1033, 1855, 1874].
The Bible teaches: Justification cannot be lost. Those whom God justifies will be saved from the wrath of God (Romans 5:8,9).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Catholics guilty of mortal sin are justified again through the sacrament of penance [980, 1446].
The Bible teaches:
There is no second justification. Those whom God justifies He also will glorify (Romans 8:30).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Salvation from the eternal consequences of sin is a lifelong process [161-162, 1254-1255].
The Bible teaches: Salvation from the eternal consequences of sin is an instantaneous and secure act of God coinciding with justification (Romans 5:9).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments [183, 1129, 1815, 2002].
The Bible teaches: Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8,9). Good works are the result, not the cause, of salvation (Ephesians 2:10).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Faith is belief in God and the firm acceptance of all that the Church proposes for belief [181-182, 1814].
The Bible teaches:
Saving faith is the entrusting of oneself to Christ as Lord and Savior (Romans 10:8-17)

The Catholic Church teaches:
11. Sanctifying grace is a quality of the soul, a supernatural disposition that perfects the soul [1999-2000].
The Bible teaches:
Grace is the undeserved favor of God (Ephesians 1:7,8).

The Catholic Church teaches:
The sacraments are necessary channels for the continual infusion of grace. They bestow grace in virtue of the rite performed [1127-1129].
The Bible teaches:
The child of God is the constant object of the Father’s grace (Romans 5:1,2)

The Catholic Church teaches:
Grace is merited by good works [2010,2027].
The Bible teaches:
Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Venial sins do not incur eternal punishment [1855, 1863].
The Bible teaches:
Every sin is punishable by eternal death (Romans 6:23)

The Catholic Church teaches:
Serious sins must be confessed to a priest [1456-1457].
The Bible teaches: Sin is to be confessed directly to God (Ezra 10:11).

The Catholic Church teaches:
The priest forgives sin as a judge [1442,1461].
The Bible teaches:
No one can forgive sin, but God alone (Mark 2:7).

The Catholic Church teaches:
When the guilt of sin is forgiven, temporal punishment remains [1472-1473].
The Bible teaches:
When God forgives sin, He completely forgives (Colossians 2:13; Isaiah 43:25).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Acts of penance make satisfaction for the temporal punishment of sin [1434, 1459 - 1460].
The Bible teaches:
Jesus made perfect satisfaction for all sins (1 John 2:1,2).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Indulgences dispensed by the Church for acts of piety release sinners from temporal punishment [1471-1473].
The Bible teaches: Jesus releases believers from their sins by His blood (Revelation 1:5).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Purgatory is necessary to atone for sin and cleanse the soul [1030-1031].
The Bible teaches: Purgatory does not exist. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross (Hebrews 1:3).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Poor souls suffering in purgatory can be helped by those alive on earth offering up prayers, good works, and the sacrifice of the Mass [1032, 1371, 1479].
The Bible teaches: Those who sleep in Christ need no help. To be absent from the body is to be at home with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:8).

The Catholic Church teaches:
No one can know if he will attain to eternal life [1036, 2005].
The Bible teaches:
The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God. (1 John 5:13).

The Catholic Church teaches:
Eternal life is a merited reward [1821, 2010]
The Bible teaches:
Eternal life is the free gift of God (Romans 6:23).

The Catholic Church teaches:
The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation [846].
The Bible teaches: There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

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