Do you support the second amendment?


#513

Jon, law abiding citizens break the rules daily (speeding, drunk driving…), do you actually believe that if there was not control over these things there would be no breaking of the rules?

Gun control does not limit the ability of the law-abiding to purchase a gun. It only limits the abuse of gaining access to guns. Yet, if there are no consequences (no financial loss, loss of license, criminal liability), the “good” gun industry will continue to filter guns into the hands of the “bad” citizens.

Maran atha!

Angel


#514

=“jcrichton, post:513, topic:452415, full:true”]
Jon, law abiding citizens break the rules daily (speeding, drunk driving…), do you actually believe that if there was not control over these things there would be no breaking of the rules?

People are people , and they’re in government, too. So, to keep people who actually have guns and power in check, the citizenry has two sources: Article V and the second amendment

Gun control does not limit the ability of the law-abiding to purchase a gun. It only limits the abuse of gaining access to guns. Yet, if there are no consequences (no financial loss, loss of license, criminal liability), the “good” gun industry will continue to filter guns into the hands of the “bad” citizens.

You keep going back to this canard. Prove it.


#515

Considering you are making a serious charge without proof against people who are not here to defend themselves, what other conclusion are we to draw?

You can put that concern to rest by providing proof


#516

Jon, didn’t you state that there are 300,000,000 guns out there?

Maran atha!

Angel


#517

Jon, did you or didn’t you make the assertion that I quoted?

Maran atha!

Angel


#518

If there’s a chance of resistance, even military-level strategists let alone criminals will be forced to reconsider, which is the idea: avoid the fight in the first place because it’s not worth it.

That is what MOST people have done historically, but in case they don’t…


#519

Actually, it’s the exact opposite. In fact, nearly every single major mass shooting in American history has happened in a gun free zone or an area with strict gun control. The only notable exception was Tuscon, where Democrats at that rally simply choose to not carry weapons.

So maybe someone can explain why rapists, mass-murderers and big-time thieves will commit offenses that will risk get them abused for the next 50 years of a life sentence in jail or executed, assuming they aren’t shot dead by police, but would run for the hills if they saw a sign that said no guns allowed because…sniff…sniff…it makes people feel oh-so-good to have done something cool. :cry:


#520

Luigi, it’s romanticism–when the zombies hit the town all gun trotting red blooded will run for the hills.

They can’t even come together on a town meeting, how do you suppose they will set aside their differences to fight tanks and drones that can use body heat and movement to target them out of existence?

Maran atha!

Angel


#521

Luigi, if you travel from Florida to NYC and bring in twenty guns, what does it matter that there’s a control in NYC?

The accessibility of guns is the problem!

Maran atha!

Angel


#522

I never made the charge that dealers, manufacturers are illegally selling guns. You did


#523

That’s like saying the accessibility of cars is the problem causing car thefts


#524

So the gun control lobby likes to say.

Ask them how they’d feel about trying to regulate guns in Mexico or Algeria amidst accusations of imperialism, racism and islamophobia.

And even then ask if there would ever be enough unionized, competent government civil servants who would be willing to die as imperialist racists for their idea in some foreign land like an illegal occupation force.

I think you can see pretty quick how “but they just get them from other places” is a bunch of hot air…and why gun control will never ever work.

Oh, and…DUH. :grinning:

It’s what black markets and criminal enterprise does.


#525

No, you have to follow the back to the cited text.

…as for the manufacturers, distributors and vendors, do you think that the guns just hid or jumped out of the vehicles and found their way into the hands of criminals and others all by their lonesome?

Maran atha!

Angel


#526

Not at all. Having an umbrella and saying that it does not rain because there’s an umbrella makes it.

Maran atha!

Angel


#527

What I think is irrelevant. You have to provide proof.
Innocent until proven guilty


#528

Huh? :nerd_face:


#529

So all the illegal guns come from Mexico and Algiers?:

According to ATF, one percent of federally licensed firearms dealers are responsible for selling almost 60 percent of the guns that are found at crime scenes and traced to dealers. (http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-traffickingprivate-sales-statistics/)
…did I make that up?

Maran atha!

Angel


#530

…ok… let’s see if I can simplify:

That’s like saying that those who posses guns will only use them in places where there are no gun restrictions.

It’s claiming that having an umbrella prevents rain clouds from forming and pouring down.

…can you read it now?

Maran atha!

Angel


#531

Nope. Super is talking about criminals who commit mass shootings. They do it at schools and other “gun free” zones because they know they will meet no armed resistance. You know, good guys with guns. They get their roughly 5 minutes to kill people before law enforcement arrives. By the way , its those 5 minutes that prompt people to own firearms

Also, do you have your source yet that proves gun manufacturers and dealers are illegally selling guns?


#532

[quote=“jcrichton, post:414, topic:452415”]
Hi, Jamie!

As long as manufacturers, distributers and vendors are protected from being responsible for the manufacturing and distribution of guns… it will be so.[/quote]

Are auto manufacturers to be held accountable for drunk drivers?

Or makers of swimming pools to be responsible for drownings?


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