[quote=“lanman87, post:14, topic:454355, full:true”]
I’m know theologian but I must say after spending 5 months on this board I’m getting better at it.
I don’t like using the word Protestant because I don’t know of anyone in my circle of believers protesting the the Roman Catholic Church
Why is it, then, that every time I’m around a bunch of Evangelicals, it seems the first thing out of their mouths is “works” righteousness (a false claim they always lob at the Catholic Church), or “I used to be Catholic but”. Is it just for my benefit?
However, the Evangelical… position is that salvation is a three fold action.
1st is the conversion, that is placing faith in Christ. This is when we are adopted and filled with the Holy Spirit as opposed to baptism which is what I understand the RCC to believe.
Yes, for us it’s it’s conversion by faith then regeneration in the waters of Baptism. And initial conversion is not just saying, I believe, but entails studying and producing works of repentance.
This conversion supernaturally changes our heart. We are made new creations in Christ. It is because of our faith that we receive the gift of eternal life. There are two schools of thought on how this happens, Calvinism and Armenianism, Predestination and election versus free will. But both would say the Faith is the instrumental cause for salvation/adoption/new creation.
The difference here is immense. You have two schools of thought but not under one authority which protects the integrity of the doctrine. Your two schools can take Scripture and turn it on it’s head, as they have frequently. Look at Calvinism with its doctrine of “Total Depravity”. And that whole sordid idea of “penal substitution” where they pit the Father against His only begotten and most beloved Son.
We also have schools of thought. But they are governed by the Church and don’t deviate from God’s Doctrines and principles. AND they willingly submit to this authority.
2nd is Sanctification,
For us, all these processes occur simultaneously. As one gets closer to God, one is sanctified by His proximity.
this is the work of the Holy Spirit conforming us to the image of God. If conversion supernaturally changes our heart then sanctification supernaturally changes our actions and is a direct result of conversion (our heart being changed). This is God giving us victory over sins in our life and the fruits of the Spirit being made manifest in our life.
This last part mostly conforms to Catholic Doctrine. But, what you haven’t mentioned is that you don’t believe that one can fall away. But that doesn’t match the real human experience. Because I know of many Evangelicals who have fallen away. And some which have become Catholic, which other Evangelicals regard as falling away.