[quote="Kaninchen, post:6, topic:282239"]
Actually, the only people I've come across who talk about people being Edomites are Christian Identity people or propagandists for the 'StormFront' Talmud.
It is hard. I have always liked very much elaborate material arcans on my actual life. But receiving energy from my perverse spirit this can become dangerous.
Anyways, I didn't asked if Christians were supposed to be material Children of Esau, I just asked if it was real that Christians were supposed to be formal Benei. But it is real that if i make a question as How to imagine a real channel between Edomites and Christians without flesh? I am reckless so my systems fall developing material explanaitions upon all others. I imagine forms as shining stared circles... as material energy. Just know that I look energy makes me happy... but that is coloured- it is material. I am still behind the bars of my materialist way of love - ideas. (Disordered words - but maybe able to be rescued by the awesome arcanist jewish genius - better if you are psychologist)
[quote="Archedreamer, post:8, topic:282239"]
I have met them because of you. They have agreable things for my soul (such as marriage at Heaven) but german-german spirit -it has sense in the spanish world, when one confronts german-germans (germanoalemanes) to jewish-germans (judeoalemanes) - is too grey for me. I need from the eastern spirit - such as is much more phatastic see a jewish curly hair surrounding a german face - it is much more phantastic have jews - heroicist- things on my religious system... not just a half-marcionist religion. Anyways, I cannot change my religion, my blood is lutheran my friend! I just can say " God is all on me! " and at the same time not pass after that point... but that is another story. (It doesn't want to be a critic towards lutherans, just a joke about our cathegoric faith - by the same thing boundaried - I use this to make me agreable and not make think that I am a faithful knight of God)
My response was so frivolous. Swedenborgian is really interesting for me. Even it is not something that I think it should be right follow... I think that it will be excelent material for make from my life a work of (sacred) art;)
[quote="Aelred_Minor, post:7, topic:282239"]
The Edomites were an ancient Semitic people believed to be descended from Jacob's (Israel's) brother Esau, making them the closest relatives of the Israelites. They were later called Idumeans, just as the Judahites were called Judeans. They were forcibly converted to Judaism late in the pre-Christian Second Temple period. The kings and other leaders of the Herodian Dynasty were Jews of Idumean (Edomite) ancestry. After the destruction of Jerusalem and the expulsion of most Jews from the Holy Land the Idumeans disappear from history, likely being absorbed into general Jewish culture and forgetting their Edomite origins.
Later Judaism associated Rome with the Edomites, likely due to the political connection between the Romans and Herodians, and of course as a way of introducing Rome into Biblical prophesies that did not mention it, by making the Edomites, who were no longer a threat, represent the new enemy- Rome. It's not surprising to me that some would later extend this to Catholics due to the importance of Rome in Catholicism, and because of the partially real and partially imagined grievances the Jews have with Christians.
However, the more Biblical (and, coincidentally, historical) connection would be to the Jews themselves.
The theme of the younger brother taking over the inheritance of the older is common in the Old Testament. It happened with Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob, Ephraim and Manasseh, and, in a more fuzzy way, with David and his many older brothers, and perhaps other things like the Davidic dynasty vs. Saul or later Solomon not being the oldest son of David. One might even draw a parallel with the Maccabees, who though descendants of Aaron were not of the family of priests that were supposed to be High Priests, yet for those of us who accept 1 and 2 Maccabees as Biblical they seem to have been chosen by God to lead the Israelites.
Though perhaps not 100% politically correct today, the New Testament connection seems to be with the people of the Old Covenant and the people of the New Covenant. The Firstborn, the people of the promise, for the most part (though obviously not all) reject salvation in Christ while many Gentiles accept it. Thus Esau would represent the Jews, the seemingly "legitimate" inheritors of the promises of God, while Jacob, the younger and at first less likable person, ends up inheriting the covenant and being the truly chosen one ("I loved Jacob but hated Esau") and thus represents the Christians (though Esau still becomes a great nation because of his descent from Abraham, we might point out, which we could connect to the Jews still remaining an important people and heirs to the less important covenant, and we might even take as a hopeful precedent the reconciliation of Jacob and Esau later in their lives).
What to say? You always are ready for assert this kind of awesome answers. You have shown me a city even I was just satisfied with a village.