Does OSAS negate free will?


#1

I’m sure someone else has brought this up, but I was thinking about the doctrine of once saved always saved and wondered what that did to a person’s free will.

It seems that if a person is saved - and will always remain in that state regardless of what they do - then they no longer have free will. They’re on a course to heaven whether they want to go or not.

(Not sure why they’d not want to go, but that’s not really the dilemma I have.)

Am I missing something?:shrug:


#2

Both sides view salvation as being a race. Those of freewillism place the emphasis on the believer being obedient to God. And, as such recognise the fact that one can fail. Those of OSAS place the emphasis on Jesus as the “author and finisher of our faith” and basically believe that “True” believers will not fail because their strength in running is from God, not from themselves. So, yes they will still have a freewill, but will choose to keep running the race under God’s power. And, yes they will experience set backs and in those times God is carrying them. Basically, they handle those that leave the faith as thinking that that person was not truly saved in the first place.

In short, we have an race, one ( freewill ) runs under their own power and may not make it to the finish line and the other ( calvinism ) runs under the power of God and as such will complete the race. Those who give up the race were not committed ( saved ) in the first place — they were just a spectator running along side the race on the sidelines.

Hebrews 12:2 (King James Version)

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


#3

To be fair, an evangelical who rejects OSAS does not consider himself to be running the Christian race under his own power. He expects to be saved by grace, through faith, just as his OSAS neighbor expects to be saved.

Some OSAS teachers have, indeed, taught such extremism as the idea that some will go to heaven even though they’ve become atheists sometime after their conversion. But those guys are out on the fringe and have small followings. Most evangelicals have never even heard that such a teaching exists anywhere.

Many, perhaps most, evangelicals do not believe in OSAS.


#4

Interesting analysis…but one comment:

Isn’t someone else “running” your life the definition of “lost free-will”? I’d say if the person is incapable of deciding he wants to reject God, then he has lost that much free will.


#5

(Matthew 24:13) But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.

(Matthew 7:22-23) Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23*And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.


#6

somehow, this verses came up to my mind when I was praying tonight. I am afraid many have already faced this at their judgment days.


#7

It isn’t a question of whether your will is free, it’s a question of whether or not your status as a child of God can be affected by your free will.

You can decide to step out of a window and you can decide to step back in. Your will is free, but that second act of your free will isn’t going to count for much.

Many, perhaps most, Christians who believe in “faith alone” do not believe in OSAS.


#8

Going by the power of God is a choice, free will.

We do not lose our free will, it is guided by the Holy Spirit. Daily, we kill our sin nature ( rom 12 ) and choose to be filled with the Spirit ( Eph 5:18 ). It is a choice to “look unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith”. There is freewill. It is just that trusting and growing in the Lord, our desires come in line with his will, thus we want what God wants for us.

Psalm 37 (New International Version)

1 [Do not fret because of evil men
or be envious of those who do wrong;
2 for like the grass they will soon wither,
like green plants they will soon die away.

** 3 Trust in the LORD and do good;
dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.

4 Delight yourself in the LORD
and he will give you the desires of your heart.

5 Commit your way to the LORD;
trust in him and he will do this:

6 He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn,
the justice of your cause like the noonday sun.

7 Be still before the LORD and wait patiently for him;
do not fret when men succeed in their ways,
when they carry out their wicked schemes.

8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret—it leads only to evil.

9 For evil men will be cut off,
but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.

10 A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found.

11 But the meek will inherit the land
and enjoy great peace.

12 The wicked plot against the righteous
and gnash their teeth at them;

13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
for he knows their day is coming.

14 The wicked draw the sword
and bend the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
to slay those whose ways are upright.

15 But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
and their bows will be broken.

16 Better the little that the righteous have
than the wealth of many wicked;

17 for the power of the wicked will be broken,
but the LORD upholds the righteous.

18 The days of the blameless are known to the LORD,
and **their inheritance will endure forever. **

19 In times of disaster they will not wither;
in days of famine they will enjoy plenty.

20 But the wicked will perish:
The LORD’s enemies will be like the beauty of the fields,
they will vanish—vanish like smoke.

21 The wicked borrow and do not repay,
but the righteous give generously;

22 those the LORD blesses will inherit the land,
but those he curses will be cut off.

23 If the LORD delights in a man’s way,
he makes his steps firm;

24 though he stumble, he will not fall,
for the LORD upholds him with his hand.

25 I was young and now I am old,
yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken
or their children begging bread.

26 They are always generous and lend freely;
their children will be blessed.

27 Turn from evil and do good;
then you will dwell in the land forever.

28 For the LORD loves the just
and will not forsake his faithful ones.
They will be protected forever,
but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off;

29 the righteous will inherit the land
and dwell in it forever.

30 The mouth of the righteous man utters wisdom,
and his tongue speaks what is just.

31 The law of his God is in his heart;
his feet do not slip.

32 The wicked lie in wait for the righteous,
seeking their very lives;

33 but the LORD will not leave them in their power
or let them be condemned when brought to trial.

34 Wait for the LORD
and keep his way.
He will exalt you to inherit the land;
when the wicked are cut off, you will see it.

35 I have seen a wicked and ruthless man
flourishing like a green tree in its native soil,

36 but he soon passed away and was no more;
though I looked for him, he could not be found.

37 Consider the blameless, observe the upright;
there is a future ** for the man of peace.

38 But all sinners will be destroyed;
the future [c] of the wicked will be cut off.

39 The salvation of the righteous comes from the LORD;
he is their stronghold in time of trouble.

40 The LORD helps them and delivers them;
he delivers them from the wicked and saves them,
because they take refuge in him.**


#9

Yes, but the difference is that rejecting or accepting God is the act of the spirit. Jumping out of a window has physical limitations.

I would hope so…there’s so much Scripture against OSAS.


#10

OSAS goes beyond freedom of will–it gives complete license of will.


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