Donald Trump considers using national guard to round up immigrants, memo suggests

theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/trump-immigration-roundup-national-guard

**Donald Trump considers using national guard to round up immigrants, memo suggests

The Trump administration considered a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 national guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by the Associated Press.

The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana. Four states that border on Mexico are included in the proposal – California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas – but it also encompasses seven states contiguous to those four: Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.

Governors in the 11 states would have a choice regarding whether to have their guard troops participate, according to the memo, written by the US homeland security secretary, John Kelly, a retired four-star marine general.

The White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, told press on board the Marine One helicopter, on which Trump was flying to Joint Base Andrews in Maryland en route to South Carolina: “That is 100% not true. It is false. It is irresponsible to be saying this.”

Using the present tense, he added: “There is no effort at all to round up, to utilize the national guard to round up illegal immigrants.”**

Note that Sean Spicer in his “denial,” does not actually go so far as to deny that the memo is legitimate and that the plans to create a militarized deportation force are untrue.

He merely denies, in the present tense, that this is going to happen. According to the Press Secretary, the “story” is false - but he doesn’t say the same for the memo published by the AP news agency, which appears to be a real government document outlining this strategy.

The fact that this idea was even mooted within the Trump Administration is frankly terrifying.

Why is it terrifying to round up illegals immigrants?

If it happens you’ll see why it’s terrible.

Good point. Why does the article and thus, the title of the thread, say Donald Trump “considers” using the National Guard to round up “immigrants”.

Seriously??? Talk about fake news and, thus, a fake news thread.

Tired of the left trying to mix “immigrant” and “illegal immigrant”…tantamount to bearing false witness.

Maybe they can be detained in their millions in some sort of concentration camps or gulags? I live in a “target rich” neighborhood, to use the ICE’s odious terminology. When the government thugs show up at my door, I have the advantage of being the right color, but I’d better have my citizenship papers handy.

I’m really hoping some of the more thoughtful right leaning posters can help me make any sense of this fresh hell that is not absolutely terrifying.

I’m truly alarmed.

I suspect this to be no more than a tactic to cause fear of President Trump. Whoever “leaked” such news, needs to be prosecuted, for causing unnecessary panic and fear.

If President Trump uses the National Guard to round up illegal immigrants trough out the nation. I suspect very hard times ahead. Close to civil war.

The only plausible explanation I can muster is that he will deploy the National Guard trough the Border. No big deal there. We have the right to defend our border.

Not an answer

The media confuses the two terms on purpose. Then we get posters that say they are rounding up immigrants.
Very deceitful

FEMA Camps. Black Helicopters. Christians will be rounded up. Muslims will be rounded up. Bush will declare martial law so Obama can’t become president. Obama will declare martial law so Trump can’t become president. Katrina was planned. Sandy Hook was staged.

:rotfl::bigyikes::rotfl:

Each person subject to removal is entitled to a hearing and an appeal.

How many billions would that cost?

How do you figure that? What right to a hearing or appeal do non-legal aliens have?

I found this:

Defense Against Removal

You have the right to defend yourself against deportation or removal from the United States. If immigration officials discover that you’re living in the country illegally, you have the right to a hearing before an immigration judge in the Executive Office for Immigration Review or EOIR (unless you’ve returned to the U.S. after a previous order of deportation). The U.S. government can’t, in most cases, simply send you home without a hearing.

You also have the right to representation in immigration court by an attorney, but the U.S. government doesn’t have to pay for one on your behalf. You may be able to find low-cost legal help from a charitable organization serving immigrants.

immigration.lawyers.com/general-immigration/legal-rights-of-illegal-immigrants.html

Pesky thing, the Constitution of the United States says they have a right.

14th Amendment

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive*** any person*** of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/255281-yes-illegal-aliens-have-constitutional-rights

I’m not sure. I think it’s the same people who approve the green cards for the people waiting on those very long lines to come in. I’m not certain.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see some argue they aren’t “persons”.

This says citizens of the US not illegal aliens. Nice try! :wink:

They do. Sorry if you don’t like that. You wouldn’t want to inadvertently deport someone who was here legally.

Look up Judge Andrew Napolitano

Here you go:

insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/17/what-can-trump-actually-do-legally-immigration-deportations-judge-napolitano-explains

He added that any president can rescind an executive order of a predecessor. But the judge pointed out that every undocumented immigrant that Trump intends to deport would be entitled to a hearing and an appeal.
“That’s between 11 and 13 million hearings and appeals. The most the United States has ever conducted in a year is 250,000. So do the math,” Napolitano said, adding that the taxpayer would foot the bill for the proceedings, including defense costs.

See, I posted FOX news, so you can;t yell at me that it’s fake news. It’s also Judge Andrew Napolitano so you can’t say “liberal”.

So your remaining argument “Trump Won” is a given. I’ll give you that one. :wink:

Let the pogroms begin.

Déjà vu. Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

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