Don't drink the Starbucks: supporters of homosexuality


#1

So my supervisor came in with a bunch of starbucks coffee for everyone. She got them for free, apparenntly they made some mistakes and gave them to her.
Whatever sure, she took them.
I was drinking the coffee (vanilla latte) and it was quite tasty.
I looked at the cup, nothing weird.
Well I saw this quote on the other side.

The Way I see it #43
"My only regret about being gay is that I repressed it for so long. I surrendered my youth to the people I feared when I could have been out there loving someone. Don’t make that mistake yourself. Life’s too damn short."

–** Armistead Maupin**
*Auther of the *Tales of the City series and the novel The Night Listener.

I hardly ever drink coffee and this is the first time I had StarBuck’s.
I will not be buying anything from them now


#2

Knowing this I would stop going there.
However, I never go in there as they are toooo expensive and I HATE the coffee.
My old boss used to occassionally buy us all Starbucks coffee - YUCK tooo strong - mind you he got bold.

I will stick with Tim Hortons:)


#3

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[quote=AmberDale]So my supervisor came in with a bunch of starbucks coffee for everyone. She got them for free, apparenntly they made some mistakes and gave them to her.
Whatever sure, she took them.
I was drinking the coffee (vanilla latte) and it was quite tasty.
I looked at the cup, nothing weird.
Well I saw this quote on the other side.

The Way I see it #43
"My only regret about being gay is that I repressed it for so long. I surrendered my youth to the people I feared when I could have been out there loving someone. Don’t make that mistake yourself. Life’s too damn short."

–** Armistead Maupin**
*Auther of the *Tales of the City series and the novel The Night Listener.

I hardly ever drink coffee and this is the first time I had StarBuck’s.
I will not be buying anything from them now
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Good GRIEF!!!
I have always thought they were over priced and annoying, now I won’t buy a cup of coffee from them if its the last cup of coffee on Earth. It’s the company’s choice what they want to promote and my choice where I want my money to go.

Buy “Fair Trade” coffee:
crsfairtrade.org/coffee_project/map.htm


#4

WOW…that makes me sad…I actually like starbucks. I guess I won’t buy it either.

We need a way to boycott so that they will be aware that they are losing customers! I will look for a website or something…


#5

Unbelievable! Someone needs to email Dr. Laura about this issue and make this known on Christian/Conservative forums.


#6

I wouldn’t be happy about drinking a hot chocolate from there and sitting my cup down where a small, impressionable child could read that and be very confused.


#7

I’m concerned about everyone’s reaction to homosexuality…

I’ll preface this by saying that I am NOT homosexual. However, I think there’s a common misconception out there that the Church is anti-homosexual.

Actually, the Church is opposed to the union of homosexual people-- sexual activity, marriage, etc. BUT, the Church does not deny that people are homosexual, and is not against these PEOPLE. It’s a ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’ type thing.

I guess it would be naive to think that people in homosexual relationships are abstaining from sex…however…it’s my understanding that the Church feels the same way about extra-marital sex for HOMOsexuals as it does about the same action for HETEROsexuals. So, if boycotting Starbucks for quoting a homosexual person who doesn’t say anything directly about having sex, then you’ll have to boycott a whole lot of mainstream things that support heterosexual couples who are having premarital sex…which is just about everything if you look below the surface as in this case with Starbucks.

…or…stop assuming and judging people. Homosexual people are out there, and need our (Catholic, Christian) love, and charity not chastizement.

Teach children about chastity.

There are Catholic homosexual groups devoted to a chaste homosexual life. I think the group is called “Dignity” or “Brave” or something like that. You never know who’s in that group!

And so, I’ll get off my soapbox.
Thanks all for listening.


#8

[quote=hearye]I think the group is called “Dignity” or “Brave” or something like that.
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I think it’s called Courage. Dignity is pro-homosexual activity and therefore goes against Catholic teaching while Courage helps people lieve lives of chastity. :thumbsup:


#9

[quote=hearye]I’m concerned about everyone’s reaction to homosexuality…

I’ll preface this by saying that I am NOT homosexual. However, I think there’s a common misconception out there that the Church is anti-homosexual.

Actually, the Church is opposed to the union of homosexual people-- sexual activity, marriage, etc. BUT, the Church does not deny that people are homosexual, and is not against these PEOPLE. It’s a ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’ type thing.

I guess it would be naive to think that people in homosexual relationships are abstaining from sex…however…it’s my understanding that the Church feels the same way about extra-marital sex for HOMOsexuals as it does about the same action for HETEROsexuals. So, if boycotting Starbucks for quoting a homosexual person who doesn’t say anything directly about having sex, then you’ll have to boycott a whole lot of mainstream things that support heterosexual couples who are having premarital sex…which is just about everything if you look below the surface as in this case with Starbucks.

…or…stop assuming and judging people. Homosexual people are out there, and need our (Catholic, Christian) love, and charity not chastizement.

Teach children about chastity.

There are Catholic homosexual groups devoted to a chaste homosexual life. I think the group is called “Dignity” or “Brave” or something like that. You never know who’s in that group!

And so, I’ll get off my soapbox.
Thanks all for listening.
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I don’t expect that Starbucks would quote a homosexual who says in plain language that he had homosexual sex, but that is what the lanugage that did get quoted means. “…when I could have been lout there loving someone” is simply veiled language.

And yes, the Church teaches that to have sexual relations outside of marriage is a sin, but it also teaches that homosexual acts are depraved. It does not teach that about heterosexual acts.

Seattle, where Starbucks is located, has a very vocal homosexual minority, Starbucks knows who it is supporting, and it is not homosxuals who lead chaste lives.


#10

Genesis315: “COURAGE”…thanks, that’s the group I was thinking of, couldn’t remember the acronym.

Courtneyjo: Good points. I guess then, I’d ask all who boycott to be sure to explain that when talking to others…ie: not saying “I’m boycotting Starbucks because they support homosexuals” but instead “I’m boycotting Starbucks because they support living a homosexual lifestyle in a way that is outside of Church teaching”.

My concern is that there seems to be this popular view that Catholics are very judgemental and harsh perfectionists who won’t associate with anyone who isn’t ‘perfect’. Feels like there’s too much division among people becasue of these common misconceptions.


#11

[quote=hearye]I’m concerned about everyone’s reaction to homosexuality…

I’ll preface this by saying that I am NOT homosexual. However, I think there’s a common misconception out there that the Church is anti-homosexual.

Actually, the Church is opposed to the union of homosexual people-- sexual activity, marriage, etc. BUT, the Church does not deny that people are homosexual, and is not against these PEOPLE. It’s a ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’ type thing.

I guess it would be naive to think that people in homosexual relationships are abstaining from sex…however…it’s my understanding that the Church feels the same way about extra-marital sex for HOMOsexuals as it does about the same action for HETEROsexuals. So, if boycotting Starbucks for quoting a homosexual person who doesn’t say anything directly about having sex, then you’ll have to boycott a whole lot of mainstream things that support heterosexual couples who are having premarital sex…which is just about everything if you look below the surface as in this case with Starbucks.

…or…stop assuming and judging people. Homosexual people are out there, and need our (Catholic, Christian) love, and charity not chastizement.

Teach children about chastity.

There are Catholic homosexual groups devoted to a chaste homosexual life. I think the group is called “Dignity” or “Brave” or something like that. You never know who’s in that group!

And so, I’ll get off my soapbox.
Thanks all for listening.
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You do make some good points about homosexuals but a couple of corrections.

  1. Homosexual sex is always disordered (or depraved as someone else said) as well as a mortal sin, heterosexual sex outside of marriage is only a mortal sin.

  2. If there are any homosexuals reading this please note that the group that is sanctioned by the Church is “Courage”. There is a group called “Dignity” but they are not sanctioned by the Church and encourage homosexual sex and marriage. Karl Keating actually wrote about it in his most recent e-newsletter (check the CA Forums for these).

Brenda V.


#12

Brenda V.-- very true that homosexual sex is always considered depraved. However, my thinking is that we’re making some assumptions about what people are doing behind closed doors and judging them based on these assumptions but we don’t do this for single heterosexual people who are in relationships and may be having sex (which is not depraved, but still is not ok in the Church’s eyes).
Are homosexual people in relationships PROBABLY doing things they shouldn’t be…ok, yes, I’m not naive…but they people in “COURAGE” don’t wear signs, so how, at first glace are we to be SURE that they’re engaging in homosexual acts. AND, if they are, is it our place to judge them for it? Judge the act if we know it’s happening, sure. If we know it’s happening, not condone it, yes, and even distance ourselves and go on living our lives trying to be the best Catholics we can if the person won’t hear our side. But careful not to jump to conclusions. I’ve done it, and been sorry for it.

(Sorry about the confusion with COURAGE, I just pulled the word ‘dignity’ out of the air trying to come up with ‘courage’ and didn’t realize it was connected to a non-sanctioned group)


#13

Starbucks was one of the sponsors of Seattle’s annual gay pride parade. “Gay” commonly refers to someone who is a sexually active homosexual. I would gladly support a business that supports chaste homosexuality. Unfortunately I don’t know of any.

And no,we don’t actually know what anyone in Courage is doing behind closed doors, but considering that Courage supports chastity, I would think their members do too. The ones that are there to undermine the group hopefully would be discouraged from attending. If someone intends to be chaste but then fails and goes to Confession, the hope is that he does not fall into habitual sin.

A wealthy corporation that supports the unchaste (no matter who they be) which organize as a group in order to push their unchaste agenda, cannot expect to be supported by those who disagree with the agenda.


#14

[quote=Cupofkindness]Unbelievable! Someone needs to email Dr. Laura about this issue and make this known on Christian/Conservative forums.
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Starbucks makes sure that their employees have health insurance.
Does your coffee purveyor do that?

Making sure that employers treat their employees fairly is my first concern. I’m sorry, but unless their own moral business is also done better by others I’m not going to quit patronizing a business because in an effort to be accepting, it is over-tolerant.

Let the sin belong to the sinner. A great many sins have been committed in order to be heroically intolerant of the sins of others. Would that we were so hard on our own sins first.


#15

BLB_Oregon: My point exactly.


#16

[quote=BLB_Oregon]Starbucks makes sure that their employees have health insurance.
Does your coffee purveyor do that?

Making sure that employers treat their employees fairly is my first concern. I’m sorry, but unless their own moral business is also done better by others I’m not going to quit patronizing a business because in an effort to be accepting, it is over-tolerant.

Let the sin belong to the sinner. A great many sins have been committed in order to be heroically intolerant of the sins of others. Would that we were so hard on our own sins first.
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Your point is valid–for you.

The original post refers to a message on a coffee cup that was promoting an actively homosexual lifestyle. I may not choose to stop buying Starbucks coffee at the supermarket. But then again, I might. If that had happened to me, I would have been offended that I was paying for a pricey cup of coffee and was being used as advertising (via the coffee cup) for an immoral message. And it doesn’t matter if no one saw the message. It IS the principle of the thing.:twocents:

I am glad she posted her experience. This is the second thread about Starbucks and their liberal causes. It does give me pause and causes me discomfort about drinking their coffee. In a similar way, I incorporated my feelings about Planned Parenthood, the Komen Breast Cancer campaign, NPR, and similar into my charitable giving choices and Ben & Jerry’s into my ice cream purchases.

(And I wouldn’t care what kind of health benefits Planned Parenthood provided their employees.:nope: )


#17

Boycott, or not, this corporation is pushing an agenda that hurts people and ruins souls.

** “America is said to be suffering from intolerance. It is not. It is suffering from tolerance, tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and Chaos. Our country is not nearly so over run with the bigoted, as it is over run with the broadminded. Tolerance does not apply to truth or principles. About these things we must be very intolerant, and for this kind of intolerance, so much needed to rouse us from the sentiment gush, I make a plea. Intolerance of this kind is the foundation of stability.”**

F. Sheen


#18

[quote=BLB_Oregon]Starbucks makes sure that their employees have health insurance.

Does your coffee purveyor do that?

Making sure that employers treat their employees fairly is my first concern.

How do you reconcile this contributing to the coffer of a company that is promoting the ill health of its company employee and consumer souls?

I’m sorry, but unless their own moral business is also done better by others I’m not going to quit patronizing a business because in an effort to be accepting, it is over-tolerant.

There is a difference between being “over-tolerant” and actively promoting a morally unhealthy lifestyle by positive association – got my hot coffee, feeling good, ohhh … what’s this on the cup, … hhmmm, okay to be gay …

Let the sin belong to the sinner. A great many sins have been committed in order to be heroically intolerant of the sins of others. Would that we were so hard on our own sins first.

A prescription for being the light in the world, the salt of the earth – NOT!
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#19

[quote=hearye]Genesis315: “COURAGE”…thanks, that’s the group I was thinking of, couldn’t remember the acronym.

Courtneyjo: Good points. I guess then, I’d ask all who boycott to be sure to explain that when talking to others…ie: not saying “I’m boycotting Starbucks because they support homosexuals” but instead “I’m boycotting Starbucks because they support living a homosexual lifestyle in a way that is outside of Church teaching”.

My concern is that there seems to be this popular view that Catholics are very judgemental and harsh perfectionists who won’t associate with anyone who isn’t ‘perfect’. Feels like there’s too much division among people becasue of these common misconceptions.
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People think that, because there is reason to think it is true. There is a strain in Catholicism - particularly in the US ? - that is prudish, judgemental, & narrow-minded. It’s the corruption of a good thing, repellent as it often is in itself.

Christians of any kind can be, and often are, repellent and unpleasant people, unfortunately

Are Christians equally careful not to support arms manufacturers ? I don’t see how, in societies as complicated as society in the West has become, we can possibly avoid financing what we find abhorrent, however indirectly we may do so. The only solution is to be entirely self-suporting - but how many Christians can realistically do that ? We might do it for ourselves - but to do it thoroughly, would involve doing it to to those who are in various ways dependent on us; and it’s far from from evident that we are entitled to impose our choices of life-style on others, if they don’t wish to share them.


#20

I’ve got to admit, I wouldn’t be really crazy about having that on my cup of coffee, and I do go to Starbucks pretty often.

I think I heard somewhere that Starbucks is the most boycotted corporation on the planet. Everyone boycotts them. Doesn’t seem to work though. They are growing like crazy. Everytime I turn around there is a new one opening up.

If you like Starbucks coffee, write to them and let them know what you think of their quotes. Tell them you are a regular customer and let them know what you do want to see. Get all of your friends to do the same. To me it seems like that might be more effective.

As far as being concerned about a youngster reading it. I wouldn’t be too concerned. If they are bright enough to read it and take it in, then they are certainly bright enough to have a conversation about morality. Think of these as real world ways to share your faith and values with your children. Better they hear about it from you.


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