Earth crowded now? Wait 'til 2050


#1

UNITED NATIONS - The world’s population will increase by 40 percent to 9.1 billion in 2050 but virtually all the growth will be in the developing world, especially in the 50 poorest countries, the U.N. Population Division said.

msnbc.msn.com/id/7030046/


#2

Not to sound flippant, but what is your point? I think most of us can grant that earth will be more populous fifty years from now, and even that there may be problems linked to more population. What of it?

Scott


#3

It’s exponential growth rates. They’ve known this for years. Scientists are predicting though, that, things like epidemics and natural disasters will take much of the population down before it gets too high (ex. the tsunami, impending bird flu outbreak). I’ll try to find a link for this information, but I’m pretty sure I read it in one of my biology textbooks.


#4

This one sided article is use the perception of over crowding to justify abortion and contraception.

A more optimistic view point argues that we are within reach of a turning point on poverty.

Making poverty history
2005 could be a big year in the fight against poverty
Dec 16th 2004

Some optimism is certainly justified. In economic terms, the human race has never been richer, or better armed with the medical knowledge, technological prowess and intellectual firepower needed to beat poverty. In rich countries, it has been possible to shift the focus of domestic policy from absolute poverty (now a rarity) to the relative sort—a giant step forward. In poorer countries, too, the past couple of decades have seen an unprecedented rise in the income and standard of living of hundreds of millions of people, mainly in Asia, who no longer struggle just to survive from one day to the next. The continuation of recent rapid rates of economic growth in India and China alone promises to free hundreds of millions more from poverty during the coming decade.

economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3500269


#5

[quote=Maranatha]This one sided article is use the perception of over crowding to justify abortion and contraception.

A more optimistic view point argues that we are within reach of a turning point on poverty.

Making poverty history
2005 could be a big year in the fight against poverty
Dec 16th 2004

Some optimism is certainly justified. In economic terms, the human race has never been richer, or better armed with the medical knowledge, technological prowess and intellectual firepower needed to beat poverty. In rich countries, it has been possible to shift the focus of domestic policy from absolute poverty (now a rarity) to the relative sort—a giant step forward. In poorer countries, too, the past couple of decades have seen an unprecedented rise in the income and standard of living of hundreds of millions of people, mainly in Asia, who no longer struggle just to survive from one day to the next. The continuation of recent rapid rates of economic growth in India and China alone promises to free hundreds of millions more from poverty during the coming decade.

economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3500269

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Ok, I see now. By simply posting the article with no personal commentary, I was beginning to suspect that we were in for a harangue about how the Church needs to chuck its teachings on abortion and contraception, but I wanted to draw out your opinion before jumping to a conclusion. I’m glad I waited. :slight_smile:

Scott


#6

Well then they will overflow into New Mexico since Texas can hold the population of the world right now.


#7

[quote=Maranatha]A more optimistic view point argues that we are within reach of a turning point on poverty.

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Optimism? Are you kidding?

The only thing keeping us afloat right now is that the vast majority of the world is so miserably poor compared to Americans. If they make serious steps “up” toward our lifestyle the ecosphere will collapse in an instant. The Chinese are slowly modernizing and that alone is causing huge problems.


#8

[quote=Tlaloc]Optimism? Are you kidding?

The only thing keeping us afloat right now is that the vast majority of the world is so miserably poor compared to Americans. If they make serious steps “up” toward our lifestyle the ecosphere will collapse in an instant. The Chinese are slowly modernizing and that alone is causing huge problems.
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You obviously believe the litny preached by the Environmental extremists. Since they don’t have the science and statistics to backup their claims up, you must be taking it on faith.

Why is it so easy to believe in their inflated claims but so hard to believe in the triumph of good over evil. :wink:


#9

There was a recent article in the National Catholic Reporter that the world population may actually be in crisis because we are not reproducing ourselves. One of the demogaphers at the UN was saying that we cannot sustain an economy without new workers, ie children.

There are several articles on-line that point to a possible world pop. peak at around 8 Billion by 2050 and thereafter a decline.

There is also indications that as the population grows, we become more efficient at producing food, moving goods, etc, etc.

When pop declines, there are few options for reversing the trend. Presently, europe is in decline and is trying to hold on by encouraging Muslim immigration.

PS…it’s not very crowded except in the big cities, get out of town once in a while. We don’t have to live on top of each other. There is plenty of room.


#10

[quote=Maranatha]You obviously believe the litny preached by the Environmental extremists. Since they don’t have the science and statistics to backup their claims up, you must be taking it on faith.

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No they do have ample evidence on their side. Notice how the global warming that has been warned about by the environementalists since the 80s at least is now so large that everyone is admitting it exists and is man made? The people who scoffed are finally having to admit they’ve been wrong for decades and let a problem spiral out of control because they didn’t want to believe the data.


#11

It’s not just where you live. How much acerage does it take to support the plants that feed the animals who live on more acres that you eventually eat? How much oil and coal to run the power plants that provide you with electricity and also provide electricity to all the manufacturers and businesses you patronize (directly or not)?

I work in the semiconductor industry. My site alone produces 2 tons of waste a day. Some of that waste is highly hazardous and requires special containment (i.e. not just a landfill). Our power use is enormous. Likewise water use. Likewise our square footage. Which says nothing of the thousands of contractor companies who have to have their own space, their own power, their own water, and make their own trash, so as to make the tools we use to make our chips.


#12

If you think the earth is overpopulated now, wait til you see it in 2318!!! Oh, wait, we’ll all be dead. Nevermind.


#13

[quote=Tlaloc]No they do have ample evidence on their side. Notice how the global warming that has been warned about by the environementalists since the 80s at least is now so large that everyone is admitting it exists and is man made? The people who scoffed are finally having to admit they’ve been wrong for decades and let a problem spiral out of control because they didn’t want to believe the data.
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The evidence was contrived and counter evidence has been buried. See Scientists as Heretics. The acts of the global warming crowd sounds like religious furor. :wink:


#14

[quote=Maranatha]The evidence was contrived and counter evidence has been buried. See Scientists as Heretics. The acts of the global warming crowd sounds like religious furor. :wink:
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Quite the reverse actually.

see here:

cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/02/21/us.air.pollution.reut/index.html

Even the ridiculously corporate biased Fox news can only attack Kyoto on economic terms since their “science” arguments that global warming doesn’t exist have turned out completely wrong.
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foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147723,00.html

NASA says the arctic is getting hotter, but that’s just a coincidence, right?

nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/Arctic_Warming_ESU.html


#15

I dont’ think many people dispute global warming. The planet has been warming since the 15th century. It’s the belief that humans are the major cause. That is what I’m not convinced of.


#16

[quote=Tlaloc]Quite the reverse actually.

see here:

cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/02/21/us.air.pollution.reut/index.html

Even the ridiculously corporate biased Fox news can only attack Kyoto on economic terms since their “science” arguments that global warming doesn’t exist have turned out completely wrong.

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147723,00.html

NASA says the arctic is getting hotter, but that’s just a coincidence, right?

nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/Arctic_Warming_ESU.html
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Thanks for the links. I read them. Not one of them cited proof that global warming is man made. We know that the earth has been warmer and cooler in the recent past. I guess you take that on faith.


#17

[quote=Maranatha]Thanks for the links. I read them. Not one of them cited proof that global warming is man made. We know that the earth has been warmer and cooler in the recent past. I guess you take that on faith.
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I figured the fact that it was now accepted in news sources that previously fought tooth and nail to deny it would be enough but there’s plenty more:

timesonline.co.uk/article/0,3-1489955,00.html

Federation of American Scientists:
fas.org/faspir/V52N4.htm
fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect16/Sect16_2.html

Union of Concerned Scientists:
ucsusa.org/global_environment/global_warming/index.cfm


#18

[quote=Tlaloc]I figured the fact that it was now accepted in news sources that previously fought tooth and nail to deny it would be enough but there’s plenty more:

timesonline.co.uk/article/0,3-1489955,00.html

Federation of American Scientists:
fas.org/faspir/V52N4.htm
fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect16/Sect16_2.html

Union of Concerned Scientists:
ucsusa.org/global_environment/global_warming/index.cfm
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When science articles start out by claiming that something is definitively settled I question their political (religious) motivations. There is good science to refute those claims.

techcentralstation.com/081204D.html


#19

There was a statistic that said that as of today the world’s population can fit in the state of Texas (I’m not sure how much land you’d have 1-3 square feet??) and the rest of the U.S. could be used for growing food for the population.

Hearing that I’m not concerned with the concept of a “crowded world”.
If you ever feel like the world is over populated, come to Montana and view the Big Sky. The state population hasn’t hit a millon, and we’re not even as “empty” as some places.

One more thing. Didn’t God say to “Go and multiply, and become as numerous as the grain of sand.”
…we’re not there yet, and won’t be for a very, very long time.


#20

seriously we arn’t running out of space, I don’t know what people are so upset about…


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