Eh question


#1

I posted a few mins ago but My browser locked up and it didn’t appear to send.

so anyway I’m not very religious as far as going to church etc.
but I try not to do sins said in the bible.

I have a Catholic friend who said that Masturbation is sinful, I said I know it is according to Catholic faith but not that I’ve read in the bible, they argued with me that it was mentioned but I never read anything

the only thing that comes close is

Mat 5:28 But I say to you, Everyone looking at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

But this doesn’t seem to imply to masturbation, it just says to lust after, if this means having fantasy doing something with her then who cares if you masturbate/

you’ve already commited the main part of the sin. so yeah anyone care to elaborate


#2

Offenses against chastity

2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."137 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."138

9 He knowing that the children should not be his, when he went in to his brother’s wife, spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother’s name. 10 And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing



#3

No, my priest said it is no longer a sin and I believe him. He is very Holy. Things are changing.


#4

But was that masturbation, or coitus interruptis?


#5

God never changes, and neither do His moral standards.
God love you,
Paul


#6

No, my priest said it is no longer a sin and I believe him. He is very Holy. Things are changing.

No, your priest is wrong and things are not changing. Sin is Sin. Masturbation is a selfish act that is part of the culture of death. Seeking sexual gratification outside of the marital relationship and not being open to life is wrong. Someone stated the Catechism quote and I suggest you read it. Many people when they find out how horrible it is, try to stop but spend years against because it is an addiction. Some have described it as a more addictive act than marijuana or heroin.


#7

Your priest is incorrect.


#8

Rabbi: Kabbalah is very explicit about the negative spiritual side-effects of masturbation. Your seed is the material by which you procreate; it is the genetic material within you that allows you the opportunity to partner with G-d.

When we let human seed go to waste, we squander G-d’s sacred and divine potential


#9

Ok just somethings here. you say this stuff doesn’t change but I seem to remember the Sabbath being changed from saturday to sunday

I seem to remember use to you weren’t even able to pluck corn on the Sabbath but then Jesus changed and said it was alright.

The punishment for adultery use to be death, I dunno if this was approved or not by God but I dunno.

Second Humans let alot go to waste, we are probably more sinful then that then most things anyway, but I don’t remember the sperm having a seed, I remember the female having the Egg and the sperm fertilizes it.

Why do you right G-d instead of God, God isn’t even his name its Yehova or something similer someone said something with a J but since J is not in Hebrew then I don’t think it is.

but one thing I wonder, why can females have orgasm, to my knowledge doesn’t it do anything?


#10

Without being too explicit, semen from the male contains the sperm needed to procreate.

Females provide the eggs that fertilise with the sperm.

However, these eggs aren’t secreted (not sure of word to use here) when a female orgasms, so therefore the sacred seed of life is not being spilt.

That is why a female may orgasm to help with the sex act within marriage, but if a male orgasms it must be within the woman so as to give every chance of procreating, which is the aim of sex.


#11

#12

Grayzer I got a question for you - Are you trying to justify your actions?

Stay off the Porn sites:banghead:


#13

Justify my actions? of course not, although I do not go to porn sites, in my opinon, they are pointless.

Though I must ask, what version of the bible do you use? it seems to be a bit different then the version I have?


#14

latinvulgate.com/
ewtn.com/faith/teachings/teaching.htm
infpage.com/concordance/
scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
ewtn.com/library/DOCTRINE/SACRAMEN.TXT
ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MORTSIN.HTM
newadvent.org/
12apostlesofthecatholicchurch.com/
catholicapologetics.net/


#15

Oh my goodness. He could be a holy man but that doesn’t mean that everything he says is right. I hope he is not the only priest with whom you speak. :frowning: God NEVER changes! The nerve of this priest saying “things are changing.” Pray for that priest PLEASE! :gopray2:

Masturbation is wrong because one is seeking pleasure for oneself. All sexual acts are to be within a marriage between husband and wife and fully open to one another, and fully open to LIFE. No pill, no form of artificial birth control, no diaphram, no condom!! Period.

9 Onan, however, knew that the descendants would not
be counted as his; so whenever he had relations with his
brother’s widow, he wasted his seed on the
ground
, to avoid contributing offspring for his brother.
10 What he did greatly offended the LORD, and the LORD
took his life too. Gen 38:9-10


#16

2394 Christ is the model of chastity. Every baptized person is called to lead a chaste life, each according to his particular state of life.

2395 Chastity means the integration of sexuality within the person. It includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery.

2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

2397 The covenant which spouses have freely entered into entails faithful love. It imposes on them the obligation to keep their marriage indissoluble.

2398 Fecundity is a good, a gift and an end of marriage. By giving life, spouses participate in God’s fatherhood.

2399 The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).

The priest is misinformed


#17

You can say whatever you want, but I don’t think you’ll go to Hell for masturbating. Lighten up. God knows men and woman are human . If it is used in a way not to hurt anyone (no porn etc…), in the privacy of your own room, to me it is not a sin. I’m not saying I practice this, it just sounds so ridiculous when it is a natural act.


#18

We are not talking porn, fornication, homosexuality here, stay on track…


#19

Wrong. It is not a selfish act but a natural one. We are not perfect and God knows this. I don’t think people will be in Hell for this. If you are celibate, there is nothing wrong with it. And I love my priest and he doesn’t lie.

Stupid thread. Just sould of called it masturbation.


#20

I’m sorry bella, but your priest was misinformed or gave you the wrong idea.

Masturbation is not a “natural act”. Masturbation is something that a person consciously and willfully does. Therefore it is NOT natural.

A natural act would be “wet dreams”. A person does not have control over what he/she dreams, or thinks while they are sleeping. “Wet dreams” are NOT sinful. However masturbation IS sinful.

The CCC is very clear that masturbation is wrong and sin. (Others here have already quoted the CCC).

These resources might also be helpful:
pure love {click here}

Notification regarding certain writings of Fr. Marciano Vidal, C.Ss.R. Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith.

DECLARATION ON CERTAIN QUESTIONS CONCERNING SEXUAL ETHICS Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

Q: Masturbation - Mortal or Veniel Sin?
A: {click here for answer by Father Echert}

Q: Mom says stuff About Masturbation. Is she right???
A: {click here for answer by Fr. Matthew Habiger OSB}

Q: About Masturbation
A: {click here for answer by Fr. Bob Levis}

Q: Is it masterbating gravious sin?
A: {click here for anwswer by Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P}

[quote=Book Catholicism for Dummies page 191-192]The Sixth Commandment is “Thou shall not commit adultery” and the ninth is “Thou shall not covet thy neighbor’s wife. Both deal with honoring human sexuality.

The Sixth Commandment forbids the actual, physical act of having immoral sexual activity, specifically adultery, which is sex with someone else’s spouse or a spouse cheating on their partner. But this commandment also includes fornication, which is sex between unmarried people, prostitution, pornography, homosexual activity, masturbation, group sex, rape, incest, pedophila, bestiality, necrophilla and the Ninth Commandment forbids the intentional desire and longing for immoral sexuality.
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