Well, he’s a celebrity and he said it so it must be true, right?
Well there you have it my fellow Catholics…
We better get ready for a New Vatican Council. :whackadoo:
We live in a different time. If Jesus Christ was alive today, I cannot see him, as the Christian person that he was and the great person that he was, saying this could not happen.
“He was all about love and compassion and forgiveness and trying to bring people together, and that is what the church should be about.”
Not IF but is. Jesus Is alive and He made it quite clear that marriage was between one man and one woman.
He cannot see Him as the “Christian” person :whacky: I wondered if Elton realized that Christian mean following Christ. :rotfl:
What Elton leaves out is the Jesus was also about justice. The statement that Jesus was about bringing people together is flat out against scripture.
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword.
For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
and one’s enemies will be those of his household.’
Yes because if you dare to think differently from traditional custom this is what will happen…
When and where was he quite clear about this?
When He clarified that marriage is a life-long commitment and pointed to scripture and pointed out it emphasized that God had created people as different genders to that purpose. He also points out that there will be those incapable of marriage based on how they were created, or via the choice they made. Note, Paul in his letters emphasizes this teaching and explains that homosexual acts lead to condemnation (note, he didn’t say homosexuality beyond one’s control, but the homosexual acts done by choice).
4 He answered, 'Have you not read that the Creator from the beginning made them male and female 5 and that he said: This is why a man leaves his father and mother and becomes attached to his wife, and the two become one flesh?
6 They are no longer two, therefore, but one flesh. So then, what God has united, human beings must not divide.’
7 They said to him, ‘Then why did Moses command that a writ of dismissal should be given in cases of divorce?’
8 He said to them, ‘It was because you were so hard-hearted, that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but it was not like this from the beginning. 9 Now I say this to you: anyone who divorces his wife – I am not speaking of an illicit marriage – and marries another, is guilty of adultery.’ 10 The disciples said to him, ‘If that is how things are between husband and wife, it is advisable not to marry.’
11 But he replied, 'It is not everyone who can accept what I have said, but only those to whom it is granted. 12 There are eunuchs born so from their mother’s womb, there are eunuchs made so by human agency and there are eunuchs who have made themselves so for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.
Dear oh dear.
“Christian person that he was”…
This just made me laugh out loud.
This is point of this kind of argument.
Make the people seem “un-Christian”, for having Christian values.
It’s the slam dunk of the new age folk. Put the people on the defensive at all times, make yourself seem enlightened and more Christian than practicing Christians.
Elton is certainly a wonderfully talented person, and entitled to his opinion. But it’s clear he does not have a working knowledge of the Christian point of view. He thinks that Christians hate gays, and desire them to suffer. Nope. Not even close, Elton. But his worldview will not change because he is very invested in this notion.
May God speak to his heart.
I guess after Elton John mentioned liking Pope Francis, now we’re more curious about what he has to say about religion. :shrug:
None of these sound very clear on the subject.
He’s describing one kind of union…but he’s not say there are not others.
Yes, he’s describing one kind of union. And that union he is describing is marriage.
Do you have anything in scriptures in mind that suggest that He would approve of same-sex “marriage”?
The biblical definition of a false prophet is one who says, “thus says the Lord” when the Lord has not spoken. See Ezekiel 22:28.
It doesnt have to be in scripture…Elton John said so.
??? He states the purpose of having two genders is so they can come together to be one. God wouldn’t have had to make two genders if any two people could come together to be one. He is defining marriage as one man, one woman. The apostles who were taught by Jesus, taught the same thing as has the Church over the course of it’s existence.
Had Christ decided to institute some new form of union, that was the time to do it and declare it. The apostles, very clearly taught that homosexual acts were sinful which preclude having a relationship, much less a marriage of homosexuals.
I’m sorry if you don’t like the teachings of the Church. But that’s your perogative, I note that you are still discerning and asking the logical questions. Here’s something else to ponder-
Why do you care what Jesus said or didn’t say? The only record we have of it is the Bible, a collection of books declared to be scriptural by the Catholic Church. If you don’t trust their interpretation of it, why trust the accuracy or scriptural nature of it? This is core to the Catholic faith, the trust that Christ did establish a Church and grant it authority, and assuring that it would be guided in all truth by the Holy Spirit.
I only accept the Bible because I accept the authority of the Church. The Bible itself says not all that occurred is written there, Paul urged us to hold to the traditions passed on by word of mouth or letter. The Catholic Church has always taught, and always will teach if it is truly Christ’s Church vice an invention of men, a consistent doctrine. Including the nature of marriage.
I think its important to add that given Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity, and that He and His Father are one, then Jesus also spoke in the prohibitions of homosexual behavior in the Old Testament. AND, since the Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity, also one with Jesus and the Father, then Jesus also spoke thru Paul in the New Testament prohibitions on homosexual behavior in the New Testament. Of course, this reasoning would require someone believe in the Trinity.
One can also look to natural law…at God’s (Jesus’) design of the human body to see that men and women are complimentary. Man/Man and Woman/Woman are not.
Thank you, a very good perspective to consider.