[quote="GratefulFred, post:15, topic:245305"]
I see Heaven, Earth, and Hell as 3 separate places.
Here on Earth we do need Ethics and Politics. The absolute best, and best by far, are the teachings of Jesus Christ. But we live in a world where many do not know Christ, and some ignore Him, and some reject Him. So we tend to see Ethics and Politics as a secular paradyme devoid of outward reference to God or His Son Jesus Christ. See what the New York Legislature passed yesterday.
Those in Heaven have exercised their free will in making ethical and political choices well enough in agreement with the teachings of Christ and have made retribution for whatever sins they committed while on earth.
Thus, in HEAVEN we are totally free from any danger of making bad choices and thus we no longer need ethics and politics as we knew them while on earth.
It is impossible to think or do any wrong in the immediate presence of God. That is our reward.
Caveat: This is my personal understanding. I am not well schooled in the matter. Perhaps others could confirm or correct and cite authority.
thanks for the reply
Well then, what is left into the hands of pagans will have pagan results. What is left in the hands of the wicked will have the result of wickedness. What in the hands of the righteous, and the upright and the ethical, will have the results that are righteous, upright and ethical. Imputing error on others is not the job of the Church (though it does it all the time). No more then it is wise to be a armchair quarterback. How is it ethical to detest the result of what you have no involvement in? If the Gov. Is left into the hands of the secular by the Church, then how can the Church expect anything other then a secular result?
What are you going to do, accuse the blind of stumbling? Or cures those who cannot, or do not hear the Word of God?
Lev:19:14: Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
The Lord did not impute error, though He has the right to, He gave sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf. In Truth and Spirit who is full of Grace. Consider the perfect One and how much Grace He had to be amongst us.
1King:19:9: And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?
Did the Lord tell Elijah to go to the cave? And did the Lord tell him to stay there?