Eucharist

Yes, Jesus is 100% in the Eucharist, not just some symbol, Read Matthew 26 v26-29. This IS my Body, This IS my Blood of the Covenant.

What is the purpose of this poll?

[quote=Scullinius]What is the purpose of this poll?
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Probably just a routine check for heretics.

As a convert the Real Presence is something I have struggled with. I’m coming to the conclusion that no matter how impossible it may seem, it must be so. There are just too many things that point to it as a reality. I was reading on a Jewish website yesterday that the Hebrews were commanded to eat the flesh of the Passover lamb and to not break any of it’s bones. I had never heard this before. If Christ is the Lamb of God, the ultimate sacrifice, the unblemished and final Passover lamb, then as beneficiaries of the sacrifice it would only be consistent if we too, would be required to eat the flesh of the Lamb. That is why Jesus gave us the Eucharist and why he said “If you do not eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you”. Only in authentic Christianity do you find the true link with the Passover sacrifice.
Perhaps most of you knew this already but it was a revelation of sorts for me.

Where’s the “I don’t know” option? :confused:

[quote=atsheeran]Probably just a routine check for heretics.
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Get the fire ready.

[quote=Tmaque]As a convert the Real Presence is something I have struggled with. I’m coming to the conclusion that no matter how impossible it may seem, it must be so. There are just too many things that point to it as a reality. I was reading on a Jewish website yesterday that the Hebrews were commanded to eat the flesh of the Passover lamb and to not break any of it’s bones. I had never heard this before. If Christ is the Lamb of God, the ultimate sacrifice, the unblemished and final Passover lamb, then as beneficiaries of the sacrifice it would only be consistent if we too, would be required to eat the flesh of the Lamb. That is why Jesus gave us the Eucharist and why he said “If you do not eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you”. Only in authentic Christianity do you find the true link with the Passover sacrifice.
Perhaps most of you knew this already but it was a revelation of sorts for me.
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Tmaque,

I think the best proof for the presence of the host can be found prior to the last supper.

John 6:22-70 (American Standard Version)

22 On the morrow the multitude that stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was no other boat there, save one, and that Jesus entered not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples went away alone 23 (howbeit there came boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they ate the bread after the Lord had given thanks): 24 when the multitude therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they themselves got into the boats, and came to Capernaum, seeking Jesus. 25 And when they found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither? 26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw signs, but because ye ate of the loaves, and were filled. 27 Work not for the food which perisheth, but for the food which abideth unto eternal life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him the Father, even God, hath sealed. 28 They said therefore unto him, What must we do, that we may work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 They said therefore unto him, What then doest thou for a sign, that we may see, and believe thee? what workest thou? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, He gave them bread out of heaven to eat. 32 Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, It was not Moses that gave you the bread out of heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread out of heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which cometh down out of heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 They said therefore unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 Jesus said unto them. I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not. 37 All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all that which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 41 The Jews therefore murmured concerning him, because he said, I am the bread which came down out of heaven. 42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how doth he now say, I am come down out of heaven? 43 Jesus answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard from the Father, and hath learned, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he that is from God, he hath seen the Father. **47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. **

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**49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world. ****52 The Jews therefore strove one with another, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, ye have not life in yourselves. ****54 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life: and I will raise him up at the last day. ****55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. ****56 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me, and I in him. ****57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he that eateth me, he also shall live because of me. **58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven: not as the fathers ate, and died; he that eateth this bread shall live for ever. 59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. 60 Many therefore of his disciples, when the heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it? 61 But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said unto them, Doth this cause you to stumble? 62 What then if ye should behold the Son of man ascending where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, are are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who it was that should betray him. 65 And he said, For this cause have I said unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it be given unto him of the Father. 66 Upon this many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67 Jesus said therefore unto the twelve, Would ye also go away? 68 Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we have believed and know that thou art the Holy One of God. 70 Jesus answered them, Did not I choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil?

This passage truly seperates the wheat from the chaff

god bless,

ex-mo

I like the heretics, that is a reason and also I heard that 70% of Catholics don’t truely understand what there Faith is.

[quote=Scullinius]What is the purpose of this poll?
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Who doesn’t enjoy a good old fight over crackers? I mean it’s not like there are any injustices in the world you could spend time on…

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**49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world. ****52 The Jews therefore strove one with another, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, ye have not life in yourselves. ****54 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life: and I will raise him up at the last day. ****55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. ****56 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me, and I in him. ****57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he that eateth me, he also shall live because of me. **58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven: not as the fathers ate, and died; he that eateth this bread shall live for ever. 59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. 60 Many therefore of his disciples, when the heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it? 61 But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said unto them, Doth this cause you to stumble? 62 What then if ye should behold the Son of man ascending where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, are are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who it was that should betray him. 65 And he said, For this cause have I said unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it be given unto him of the Father. 66 Upon this many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67 Jesus said therefore unto the twelve, Would ye also go away? 68 Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we have believed and know that thou art the Holy One of God. 70 Jesus answered them, Did not I choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil?

This passage truly seperates the wheat from the chaff

god bless,

ex-mo
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The Gospel of John has been helpful but verse 63 confuses the issue in my opinion: It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, and are life. This may suggest that Jesus wasn’t speaking in the literal sense about eating his flesh, but rather, in the spiritual sense. Because of this verse I felt I needed a deeper understanding of the theology behind the Real Presence. I had chosen to believe just by virtue of faith in the magisterium of the Church. I am now finding deeper reasons for believing and it is wonderful to find things like I mentioned in my previous post.

[quote=Tmaque]The Gospel of John has been helpful but verse 63 confuses the issue in my opinion: It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, and are life. This may suggest that Jesus wasn’t speaking in the literal sense about eating his flesh, but rather, in the spiritual sense. Because of this verse I felt I needed a deeper understanding of the theology behind the Real Presence. I had chosen to believe just by virtue of faith in the magisterium of the Church. I am now finding deeper reasons for believing and it is wonderful to find things like I mentioned in my previous post.
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Tmaque,

I don’t believe that verse 63 confuses the issue at all. I believe it reinforces it, in that the power of the Holy Spirit will change the wine to blood and the bread to flesh. If this were a metaphor in the spiritual sense then why did the Jews say:
**52 The Jews therefore strove one with another, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? **
Then Jesus tells them without exception this:
53 Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, ye have not life in yourselves. 54 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me, and I in him.
I think that the argument for the host is defined pretty well in these scriptures. This was also the hardest thing for me to except until I listened to our parish priest “let us proclaim the mystery of faith.” Your right when you look at the passover sacrafice it does reinforce your faith.

God bless

ex-mo

:amen: I believe

hes 100% present in the Eucharist :slight_smile:

[quote=Tlaloc]Who doesn’t enjoy a good old fight over crackers? I mean it’s not like there are any injustices in the world you could spend time on…
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The reason for all of the injustices is that so many people don’t understant that we’re not talking about “crackers”. If people truely lived the Eucharist, the injustices would be taken care of.

The Eucharist is what got me to be as Catholic as I am today…

Why bother to attend a church that doesn’t have this miracle every time?

[quote=alterserver_07]Yes, Jesus is 100% in the Eucharist, not just some symbol, Read Matthew 26 v26-29. This IS my Body, This IS my Blood of the Covenant.
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But the desciples ate that bread and I’m sure it’s all gone. "IS my body " and WAS His body. Of course we knew that Jesus spoke in many parables. Was he not simply speaking of His death that was about to take place? “The new convenant”?

Early Christians “broke bread” in rememberance. They didn’t perform any prayer to convert/transubstanciate it.

So, I have a friend who is attending seminary to become a Episcopalian priest. They think they are eating the body of Christ. So do Lutherans I’ve seen. Are they wrong?

What does it require to create “the body of Christ” form bread? How does this happen?

What if I eat His body but don’t drink his blood? Am I not getting the whole sacrament. I’ve seen many churches who do NOT serve the wine. If Christ commanded we do this, then why aren’t they serving BOTH? Or did Christ (who was about to be killed) want us to simply remember at each meal His sacrifice for our sins (new covenant)?

I have many questions that don’t make sense to me about all this.

[quote=ruzz]But the desciples ate that bread and I’m sure it’s all gone. "IS my body " and WAS His body. Of course we knew that Jesus spoke in many parables. Was he not simply speaking of His death that was about to take place? “The new convenant”?

Early Christians “broke bread” in rememberance. They didn’t perform any prayer to convert/transubstanciate it.

So, I have a friend who is attending seminary to become a Episcopalian priest. They think they are eating the body of Christ. So do Lutherans I’ve seen. Are they wrong?

What does it require to create “the body of Christ” form bread? How does this happen?

What if I eat His body but don’t drink his blood? Am I not getting the whole sacrament. I’ve seen many churches who do NOT serve the wine. If Christ commanded we do this, then why aren’t they serving BOTH? Or did Christ (who was about to be killed) want us to simply remember at each meal His sacrifice for our sins (new covenant)?

I have many questions that don’t make sense to me about all this.
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There is blood in the body and the body consists of blood. So one species can be both.

The Eucharist is valid through consecration. Do your research on Holy Orders and apostolic succession.

The Greek word for “remembrance” is anamnesis, which points to a sacrificial aspect of the Eucharist. It does not mean to remember Him in a symbolic way. His Body is food indeed. His Blood is drink indeed.

Hope that helps! :slight_smile:

Main Entry: an·am·ne·sis m-w.com/images/audio.gif
Pronunciation: "a-"nam-'nE-s&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural an·am·ne·ses m-w.com/images/audio.gif /-"sEz/
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek *anamnEsis, *from *anamimnEskesthai *to remember, from *ana- + mimnEskesthai *to remember – more at MIND
1 : a recalling to mind **: REMINISCENCE

**Greek anamnesis meaning a remembering again

That all seems like a symbol to remember Him with. Like a the smell of perfume that reminds one of their mother.

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