[quote=davidford][davidford]“mutation-inducing radiation has been administered to populations of these organisms, turning on and off various genes, to get the indicated sorts of changes:
grass ==> citrus fruit
oaks ==> maple trees
pear trees ==> walnut trees
dogs ==> cats
fruit flies ==> termites”
[Ianjo99]“If this isn’t a joke, then this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.”
I take it you don’t appreciate the work of the NIEH. Here’s one of their press releases:
BETHESDA, MD, June 4, 01:03:57 EDT: A team of scientists at the prestigious National Institutes of Evolutionary Health has proposed a bold new plan for improving the human race. Keeping in mind the fact that the dinosaurs suffered extinction 65 million years ago, the scheme suggests that mutations be induced in volunteer human subjects so steps can be taken to prevent human extinction. This project would be the beginning of a major push for improvement, the inauguration of a spirited effort to augment human capabilities using known principles of evolutionary biology. Clonal evolution will usher in a new era of advancement.
The required mutations will be induced in the volunteer subjects with exposure to high levels of heat, injection of the Human T- Lymphotrophic Virus, injection of herpes viruses, injection of the Epstein Barr Virus, chemical treatments, exposure to various carcinogens including nitrates, inducement of Burkitt’s lymphoma, inducement of kaposi sarcoma as a byproduct of the injection of HIV, and exposure to X-ray and UV radiation.
Many of the genetic changes will result in some cells’ growing uncontrollably, but this is said to be good, since it is known that larger organisms are not as easily affected by external temperature fluctuations. A few members of the group objected, saying that this is actually not a good thing, and calling it by the derisive term “cancer.” But no one else agreed, and since truth is determined by popular opinion, uncontrollable cell division resulting from the various treatments can indeed be good when seen through evolutionary specs. Wrote the person heading up the team, “Anyone that disagrees with us is nieve.” No further elaboration was provided. A colleague added, “You might as well not believe in rain.”
Additional changes in the DNA will be made with random deletions in some subjects’ germ line DNA, deletions of entire chromosomes, random insertions of nucleotides in the germ line DNA, random substitution of nucleotide base pairs in the germ line DNA, breakage of DNA, adding additional copies of and extra pieces of chromosomes, and inducement of errors in those genes that are supposed to correct “mistakes” made in gene replication. Randomness will be assured by the scientists’ not looking at what they’re doing when meddling with the volunteers’ DNA.
Commented one member in a particularly indiscreet moment, “Trisomy 21 was only the beginning. We will be experimenting with trisomy 1, trisomy 2, trisomy 3, trisomy 4, and so on. The fact that those with trisomy 21 develop Down’s syndrome will not stop us from doing our valuable work.” Changes in any homeobox genes that can be gotten hold of will result in arms appearing where eyes would have been, and perhaps extra-long legs and arms. Beneficial mutations, though hard to come by, are expected to provide the raw material for natural selection to work on, with the eventual result being a vastly improved organism, unlike anything we’ve ever seen. Said one member of the scientific group who wished to remain anonymous, probably out of fear of lawsuits, “These are the mutations that accumulate.”
One day, this new and improved organism will replace humans as we know them, which will be perfectly all right, because our time will have come. This Brave New World will have been made possible through our good understanding of how blindwatchmaking occurs: through non-intelligence-directed selection of non- intelligence-directed changes in organisms’ genetic codes.
The cost for being able to participate in this exciting and fully voluntary program will be free. Well, you might lose your life, but who’s counting?
I guess I don’t, considering that did nothing to further your point that scientists have altered populations that resemble different species. All it said was that some scientists are experimenting with aneuploidy. And I assume you know that individuals do not evolve, only populations do? I sincerely doubt the legitmacy of this foundation when they completely disregard the scientific method.
Also, have you ever heard of the “shotgun” method of arguing? It’s when someone throws a large amount of “evidence” (usually off the internet) at someone in the hopes that one argument sticks. It’s precisely what you are doing. It’s a favorite of internet conspiracists.
But of course that’s not what you’re doing…