Explosive intervention by Pope Francis set to transform climate change debate

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Explosive intervention by Pope Francis set to transform climate change debate

**Pope Francis will call for an ethical and economic revolution to prevent catastrophic climate change and growing inequality in a letter to the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics on Thursday.

In an unprecedented encyclical on the subject of the environment, the pontiff is expected to argue that humanity’s exploitation of the planet’s resources has crossed the Earth’s natural boundaries, and that the world faces ruin without a revolution in hearts and minds. The much-anticipated message, which will be sent to the world’s 5,000 Catholic bishops, will be published online in five languages on Thursday and is expected to be the most radical statement yet from the outspoken pontiff.**

However, it is certain to anger sections of Republican opinion in America by endorsing the warnings of climate scientists and admonishing rich elites, say cardinals and scientists who have advised the Vatican.

The Ghanaian cardinal, Peter Turkson, president of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace and a close ally of the pope, will launch the encyclical. He has said it will address the root causes of poverty and the threats facing nature, or “creation”.

In a recent speech widely regarded as a curtain-raiser to the encyclical, Turkson said: “Much of the world remains in poverty, despite abundant resources, while a privileged global elite controls the bulk of the world’s wealth and consumes the bulk of its resources.”

The Argentinian pontiff is expected to repeat calls for a change in attitudes to poverty and nature. “An economic system centred on the god of money needs to plunder nature to sustain the frenetic rhythm of consumption that is inherent to it,” he told a meeting of social movements last year. “I think a question that we are not asking ourselves is: isn’t humanity committing suicide with this indiscriminate and tyrannical use of nature? Safeguard creation because, if we destroy it, it will destroy us. Never forget this.”

**The encyclical will go much further than strictly environmental concerns, say Vatican insiders. “Pope Francis has repeatedly stated that the environment is not only an economic or political issue, but is an anthropological and ethical matter,” said another of the pope’s advisers, Archbishop Pedro Barreto Jimeno of Peru.

“It will address the issue of inequality in the distribution of resources and topics such as the wasting of food and the irresponsible exploitation of nature and the consequences for people’s life and health,” Barreto Jimeno told the Catholic News Service.**

He was echoed by Cardinal Oscar Rodríguez Maradiaga of Honduras, who coordinates the Vatican’s inner council of cardinals and is thought to reflect the pope’s political thinking . “The ideology surrounding environmental issues is too tied to a capitalism that doesn’t want to stop ruining the environment because they don’t want to give up their profits,” Rodríguez Maradiaga said.

The rare encyclical, called “Laudato Sii”, or “Praised Be”, has been timed to have maximum public impact ahead of the pope’s meeting with Barack Obama and his address to the US Congress and the UN general assembly in September.

I don’t know…I’ve been admonishing rich elites like Al Gore, Bill Clinton, James Hansen, and Barack Obama to live their lives like they think global warming is a problem for 10 years.

Let’s hear it for this pope!

Yeah. Don’t you love this line:

However, it is certain to anger sections of Republican opinion in America by endorsing the warnings of climate scientists and admonishing rich elites, say cardinals and scientists who have advised the Vatican.

Only Republicans are “rich elites”. No mention of rich, liberal Democrats who squawk about “global warming” and preach to everyone else about how they should live, while they;re living as hypocrites. Maybe Al Gore can ride a bike to his next speech.

And just as an update: New York City still is not underwater.

Agreed. People don’t realize that Republican and Democrat politicians are as filthy rich and every bit as corrupt as each other proportionately. Their both for the upper middle classes, the poor get nearly totally sidelined.

When it comes to economic policy, it can sometimes be really difficult to tell the difference between democrats and republicans. They are both big government parties.

many people are taking this upcoming encyclical by Pope Francis as a political move to back those who support government intervention to end “global warming.” Rather I think it will be a encyclical on stewardship of the earth, I’m sure he will bring up environmental issues, but I doubt he says anything scientific on climate change, even if he did he would have no authority to make statements like that. The Pope can say many things about morality, theology, scripture, etc. But he can’t say anything authoritative on the science of climate change.

The article declares that the earth has reached its natural limits, and that the world remains in poverty in spite of an abundance of natural resources.

No contradiction there.:rolleyes:

I will look for Pope Francis’s letter on Thursday.

I hesitate to make a specific comment about the new encyclical before I’ve had a chance to see what it actually says, but the choice of subject tends to support those critics who complain that the churches in general, and not just the Catholic Church, are gradually turning into NGO’s that are hardly distinguishable from all the others. The process that one Franciscan labeled “the NGOization of the Church” began long before the present pontificate, but it’s regrettable that Francis seems to be speeding it up rather than slowing it down or, better still, putting it into reverse.

Disagree with such strong language.

Republicans in numerous states have passed pro-life legislation.

The likes of Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, who are running for President hardly fits in with the very negative description post above. It probably doesn’t apply to the likes of Elizabeth Warren either.

Being rich may well apply to the likes of the Clintons and Bushes.

On the other hand, their economic policies tend to be very similar. Lots of government spending, lots of regulation, etc.

It’s hard to put the genie back in the bottle once its out, to stop entitlements and so on.

In other words, republicans have no backbone. I am not sure that is much of an improvement.

The expression “Laudato Si”, chosen as the title of Francis’ first encyclical, is not in Latin – it says here – but in the medieval Umbrian dialect spoken by St. Francis of Assisi. Bearing in mind that the usual practice is for the opening words of the encyclical to be used as its title, can this mean that the official text of the entire encyclical is in medieval Umbrian, rather than Latin? I hope not.

ncronline.org/blogs/eco-catholic/vatican-confirms-title-environmental-encyclical-laudato-si

Not that charitable. I remember a thread on Marco Rubio that was deleted, let’s not just have a lot of gratuitous slamming of ideas we don’t agree with.

Santa Claus can be popular with the electorate.

Okay, so you don’t put a lot of weight in issues such as whether one is pro-life.

Many states have now passed much pro-life legislation. This is on topic as much as criticizing a party over finances in a thread about climate change.

Where did I say anything about pro-life? We are talking about economic issues.

Many states have now passed much pro-life legislation. This is on topic as much as criticizing a party over finances in a thread about climate change.

I restricted my comment to economic issues. I said, that in economic issues, there is little difference between the two parties.

The thread is on climate change.

I restricted my comment to economic issues. I said, that in economic issues, there is little difference between the two parties.

I wasn’t speaking with reference to the respective parties stances on life issues but rather economics and social status. The Democrat Party is not actually ‘left-wing’ economically speaking as we would see it in Europe. In the US you have this really bizarre situation in which the left-right divide in politics is not really to do with the economy but issues like climate change, gay marriage and so on. The big exception is Obama’s healthcare programme. In Europe left-right is much more about economics. There is a genuine difference and a genuine choice.

On Elizabeth Warren, she apparently lives in a three-storey Victorian home and is worth between 5 to 10 million dollars. That’s filthy rich by most standards.

The perception many have, myself included, is that no matter what party one belongs too in America, politics is the preserve of the privileged 1%. We have a problem in the UK with the sheer preponderance of Oxbridge educated toffs in parliament but in general I would say we have a broader range of social backgrounds in our politics compared with the U.S.

Once one moves away from Obama’s radicalism in healthcare (which as a European I support) and pro-life policies of the Republicans (which I support), there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of differences between moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats. The fringes are crazy on both ends, but in general their both upper middle class parties catering to different degrees within a middle class electorate.

Obama’s affordable care is the big exception. This does seem to represent a shift to a more egalitarian economic policy but if Clinton succeeds him it will return to being the same middle class affair. Obama seems unique economically speaking, among recent major politicians.

The article says global warming is not just an environmental issue but an economic and political issue as well. Hence, if one is going to go after the political parties with such negatives, I think it should be just as open to speak up for the parties.

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