'Eye of Sauron' plan for Moscow skyscraper scrapped after Russian Orthodox Church hits out at 'demonic symbol'

"The Russian Orthodox Church has labeled a planned “Eye of Sauron”-style skyscraper light as a “demonic symbol” suggesting it could cause bad things to happen in Moscow.
“Such a symbol of the triumph of evil is rising up over the city, becoming practically the highest object in the city … Just don’t be surprised later if something goes wrong with the city,” a spokesman from the church said.

The designers have since scrapped the project."

Not sure what the Catholic JR Tolkien would think of this. What do you think?

ISTM very bemusedly, as he in all likelihood, never intended his characters or plot lines to be taken seriously.

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So Russia is actually Mordor? :wink: :smiley:

How 'bout on top of the Washington Monument instead?:thumbsup:

Sauron, while evil as one could be, was not really Satan. He was really an evil wizard who was halfway between the shadow world and Middle Earth, much like the nine wring wraiths who were once kings of men, seduced by Sauron and accepted rings of power that corrupted them. He once had a physical body and was defeated by Isildur, High King of Gondor on the battlefield. Isildur, cut the ruling ring from Sauron’s hand after striking him down. Unfortunately, Isildur kept the ring for himself, having been seduced by it.

I guess I would have to think about it. Kinda of creepy to wake up in the morning, look out my window and see the eye of Sauron. Maybe a good idea for a Casino in Vegas? [Never been, don’t want to go.] Otherwise… nahhh…

Well the Southeast and Southwest quarters of DC do somewhat resemble Mordor.:eek:

…at least around 14th St.

I think this “controversy” has kicked up more interest in the movie than the advertising ever would have, in the few weeks it was supposed to be up on that skyscraper.

=SAVINGRACE;12561146]"The Russian Orthodox Church has labeled a planned “Eye of Sauron”-style skyscraper light as a “demonic symbol” suggesting it could cause bad things to happen in Moscow.
“Such a symbol of the triumph of evil is rising up over the city, becoming practically the highest object in the city … Just don’t be surprised later if something goes wrong with the city,” a spokesman from the church said.

The designers have since scrapped the project."

:hmmm:

[quote]Not sure what the Catholic JR Tolkien would think of this. What do you think?

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I can’t say he’d approve, that’s for sure.

Wouldn’t that be a good place for a Eucharist Adoration Chapel?

Of course, the secular crowd would be screaming bloody murder over that :rolleyes:

Speaking of the eye of Sauron…

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Shard_All_Hail_Sauron.jpg

By the way this is in London.

Sauron is actually a Maia, an angelic spirit created by Eru (= God). You’re correct that he’s not exactly Middle Earth’s ‘Satan’ per se; that was his master, Melkor/Morgoth. That said, Sauron did take the mantle of ‘biggest baddie’ after Morgoth was thrown out into the Void following his defeat in the War of Wrath: he was, as Tolkien said, a ‘satellite’ of Morgoth.
In my story I do not deal in Absolute Evil. I do not think there is such a thing, since that is Zero. I do not think that at any rate any ‘rational being’ is wholly evil. Satan fell. In my myth Morgoth fell before Creation of the physical world. In my story Sauron represents as near an approach to the wholly evil will as is possible. He had gone the way of all tyrants: beginning well, at least on the level that while desiring to order all things according to his own wisdom he still at first considered the (economic) well-being of other inhabitants of the Earth. But he went further than human tyrants in pride and the lust for domination, being in origin an immortal (angelic) spirit.* In The Lord of the Rings the conflict is not basically about ‘freedom’, though that is naturally involved. It is about God, and His sole right to divine honour. The Eldar and the Númenóreans believed in The One, the true God, and held worship of any other person an abomination. Sauron desired to be a God-King, and was held to be this by his servants;† if he had been victorious he would have demanded divine honour from all rational creatures and absolute temporal power over the whole world. So even if in desperation ‘the West’ had bred or hired hordes of orcs and had cruelly ravaged the lands of other Men as allies of Sauron, or merely to prevent them from aiding him, their Cause would have remained indefeasibly right. As does the Cause of those who oppose now the State-God and Marshal This or That as its High Priest, even if it is true (as it unfortunately is) that many of their deeds are wrong, even if it were true (as it is not) that the inhabitants of ‘The West’, except for a minority of wealthy bosses, live in fear and squalor, while the worshippers of the State-God live in peace and abundance and in mutual esteem and trust.

  • Of the same kind as Gandalf and Saruman, but of a far higher order.
    † By a triple treachery: 1. Because of his admiration of Strength he had become a follower of Morgoth and fell with him down into the depths of evil, becoming his chief agent in Middle Earth. 2. when Morgoth was defeated by the Valar finally he forsook his allegiance; but out of fear only; he did not present himself to the Valar or sue for pardon, and remained in Middle Earth. 3. When he found how greatly his knowledge was admired by all other rational creatures and how easy it was to influence them, his pride became boundless. By the end of the Second Age he assumed the position of Morgoth’s representative. By the end of the Third Age (though actually much weaker than before) he claimed to be Morgoth returned.

He once had a physical body and was defeated by Isildur, High King of Gondor on the battlefield. Isildur, cut the ruling ring from Sauron’s hand after striking him down. Unfortunately, Isildur kept the ring for himself, having been seduced by it.

Isildur was co-ruler of Gondor and Arnor along with his brother Anarion. And strictly speaking, it was Elendil (Isildur and Anarion’s father) and Gil-galad who defeated Sauron, at the cost of their lives. Isildur cut the Ring off the defeated Sauron’s hand using the hilt of Elendil’s broken sword.

Whenever there is a Tolkien thread there I am.

I remember reading in one of Tolkien’s letters about men and elves turning into Orcs.

I think he would say the same thing in this situation.

Wouldn’t that make Russian Orthodoxy the official religion of Mordor? :eek:

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