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[quote="PatriceA, post:20, topic:247977"]
I second this train of thought. Facebook, for me, is about connecting with my family and friends that I don't see on a day to day basis. Or to be connected to community and school events. Its not about debating social and political hot topics. If I wanted to do that, I'd join a forum or group specifically for that purpose. My friends list or privacy setting would also look much different if I wanted to engage in more of that type of discussions. My friend list on Facebook is very small in comparison to others, on purpose.

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Maybe Jesus should've just joined a discussion group instead of preaching the Gospel in the public way that He did? I mean doesn't the Gospel say that you're supposed to hide your light under a bushel anyways - hmmm - I think you're on to something there:thumbsup:

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#22

Look I know this last post was sarcastic but i can’t apologize for it. I am so sick of this puke warm response to the Fire that is lit inside of us when we hear the Word - ARE WE NOT THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD? Does not evil flourish when good men let it?? If we are too embarrassed, too ashamed, or want to be thought of in such high esteem by the people on our “friend list” that we will just silently watch as the world goes to hell in a hand basket then maybe we deserve it when it does. It’s too bad that the little children of this world will have a bunch of gutless wonders in charge of things while they are growing up. I get it when my secular friends “just want everybody to get along” and don’t want to get tangled up in controversy - but Catholics?? It makes me sick to hear people don’t want to stand up for what is right - to fight a good fight IS A MESSY THING - THAT IS LIFE. I will pray harder tonight and I am running right now to the Father with tears in my heart to ask Him to make this better because the good people here on earth have given up.

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#23

[quote="soccerdad57, post:22, topic:247977"]
Look I know this last post was sarcastic but i can't apologize for it. I am so sick of this puke warm response to the Fire that is lit inside of us when we hear the Word - ARE WE NOT THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD? Does not evil flourish when good men let it?? If we are too embarrassed, too ashamed, or want to be thought of in such high esteem by the people on our "friend list" that we will just silently watch as the world goes to hell in a hand basket then maybe we deserve it when it does. It's too bad that the little children of this world will have a bunch of gutless wonders in charge of things while they are growing up. I get it when my secular friends "just want everybody to get along" and don't want to get tangled up in controversy - but Catholics?? It makes me sick to hear people don't want to stand up for what is right - to fight a good fight IS A MESSY THING - THAT IS LIFE. I will pray harder tonight and I am running right now to the Father with tears in my heart to ask Him to make this better because the good people here on earth have given up.

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Uh, no, we haven't. Just because we choose to do our evangelizing in different ways (like face to face) than you do does not mean we have copped out. Some of us, like PatriceA, use our facebook accounts for what you may consider frivolous reason, but they matter to us in keeping us connected with people we care about in a "cup of coffee at the kitchen table" sort of way.

Personally, the entire format of social networks is not conducive to effective evangelizing. People who might disagree with you or have questions really have no way of being able to talk with you in a calm manner because five other people have jumped in and either agreed with you without compromise or disagreed with you without compromise and the whole thing degenerates into a shouting match with hurt feelings and misunderstandings on both sides. Thus the message, no matter how good and edifying, gets lost.

If YOU want to turn facebook (or myspace or whatever) into your pulpit, no one is stopping you. But that's not what everyone uses it for. I have blocked or unfriended people whose posts are nothing but constant diatribes for or against the government, religion, etc. I'd rather have a real meeting of the minds rather than dueling posts when it comes to serious topics. I don't go on facebook to be "enlightened" by anyone. I want to find out how the kids' soccer game went, see the pictures from a graduation that was too far for me to attend, wish someone well on a job interview, etc.

Some of us, to use your own words, don't hide our light under a basket... but our lampstand is somewhere other than a computer screen.

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#24

This bothers me, because I am very much a peace keeper and avoid conflict whenever possible. My facebook account is used only for keeping up with close friends and family, and I would never dare to put up something controversial. I have cousins who constantly put links to political propaganda or women's rights or gay rights things. I NEVER would dare reply to the contrary because they are very, very good at using arguments, they think Richard Dawkins is the third smartest (?) person in the world and they would think I was a bigoted, small-minded religious nut and would dismiss me immediately. Or worse they would attack and belittle me publicly. I get anxious even watching religious debates on TV.

I've been thinking for a long time that I should be braver and more outspoken - wear my heart on my sleeve, but it's very very hard for me to engage in argument with people about such issues, no matter how passionately I feel about them. I know Jesus was rejected and never thought of his own popularity when teaching and proclaiming the truth. Sigh.

I hope that God accepts that I might have something else to offer (prayer, community service, living an example) besides evangelisation. I hope.

Is there not a place in this world for the timid?

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#25

Have you ever thought that the way that you responded to my post is one reason why people do not want to respond to you, even if they would like to have a discussion with you on the very topics you are so passionate about? I certainly love a good discussion or debate about the hot topics, but not when someone responds in such the manner that you did to my comments. Its a complete turn off. You’re actually turning people away instead of reaching out to them. If that’s your usual way to respond to people, I for one would stay far, far away from you on Facebook.

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#26

There absolutely is a place for the timid in this world! As you said, some of us are called to evangelize by prayer, or community service or as living examples. Not all of us are meant to be shouting from the roof tops. God uses all of us and our own unique talents to serve Him.

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#27

I’m not Jesus, and each person has their own way of expressing themselves. You should respect that, not everyone is as outspoken as you. I still say you are overgeneralizing people, facebook is just not the place.

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#28

Amen to this, Patrice! You can live God’s word without posting your convictions in very public, permanent places. I pray a lot and devote tremendous amounts of time and energy to community service. And yes, my facebook profile says that I am Catholic, so soccerdad, don’t even go there.

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#29

You said:

Uh, no, we haven't. Just because we choose to do our evangelizing in different ways (like face to face) than you do does not mean we have copped out. Some of us, like PatriceA, use our facebook accounts for what you may consider frivolous reason, but they matter to us in keeping us connected with people we care about in a "cup of coffee at the kitchen table" sort of way.

As long as you're doing this - talk face to face about tough issues (in as much as an opportunity presents) - then I agree with you

You said:

Personally, the entire format of social networks is not conducive to effective evangelizing.

I disagree - in terms of your friends - facebook is a mountaintop that you can reach people from - and although it doesn't replace face to face conversations it certainly is a good starting point - at least people know where you stand on the issues and conversations naturally start from there sometimes.

You said:

If YOU want to turn facebook (or myspace or whatever) into your pulpit, no one is stopping you. But that's not what everyone uses it for. I have blocked or unfriended people whose posts are nothing but constant diatribes for or against the government, religion, etc. I'd rather have a real meeting of the minds rather than dueling posts when it comes to serious topics. I don't go on facebook to be "enlightened" by anyone.

This sounds like you see your pro-life positions as "a side of an issue" - if this is true then you lack the conviction of your arguments - you hardly believe what you say as actually being true - (if you indeed say anything to anybody concerning these things)
and if someone blocks me or doesn't like me anymore - so be it! - Have you read the Gospels? - On the sermon on the mount and throughout His holy life - Jesus didn't hide his opinions - He didn't say - uh guys - I don't want to offend anyone - but in my opinion you should ... - but I'm just saying - you know - one mans opinion - but you think what you want to. Read Mathew - Jesus spoke up and offended people many times - He didn't worry about presenting the opposing arguments of all dissenters who might disagree first - He just spoke the Truth - and He climbed to the top of a mountain to do it. I am praying for a change of hearts - and will in the mean time continue to fight with every bone in my body against gay marriage/ civil unions - homosexual propaganda - abortion - and pornography and I will use whatever medium is available to me and I get that I don't have many supporters - they crucified Christ and St. Peter - they cut off John the Baptists head and I get it that spreading the Gospel does not make people necessrily like you - but 2000 years later the Word seems to have taken 2nd fiddle to the all important idea that - we don't want to offend anyone

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#30

[quote="PatriceA, post:26, topic:247977"]
There absolutely is a place for the timid in this world! As you said, some of us are called to evangelize by prayer, or community service or as living examples.

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Much of the time it takes more courage and more vigor to actually live the Gospels than it does to preach from the internet. Being a living, breathing, walking follower of Christ when there's not a computer screen between you and the rest of the world ain't for the faint of heart. :p

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#31

It certainly does - and I have fallen short so many times I should not be and am not a judge of anyone based on my own record - but I don’t think that my failures mean that I should not promote the pro-life values that are based on His truth not my own and I would add and this is where most people seem to miss the point - standing up for what you believe in isn’t something that you only do from time to time - this isn’t a debate about whether facebook or face to face is better - it doesn’t have to be this or that - I simply believe in people knowing where you stand, that if people who have the Truth within them spoke up against these things wherever they were and the computer is one powerful tool (if you don’t believe me look at how well pornograghy has done with it) that others who were more timid would find the courage to do so also and together we can prevail.

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#32

You said:

[quote="PatriceA, post:25, topic:247977"]
Have you ever thought that the way that you responded to my post is one reason why people do not want to respond to you, even if they would like to have a discussion with you on the very topics you are so passionate about? I certainly love a good discussion or debate about the hot topics, but not when someone responds in such the manner that you did to my comments. **Its a complete turn off. You're actually turning people away instead of reaching out to them.** If that's your usual way to respond to people, I for one would stay far, far away from you on Facebook.

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Jesus said :"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; Mt. 10:34 -35

Did it seem like Jesus was too worried about people being turned off or turned away by him?:dancing:

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#33

[quote="soccerdad57, post:32, topic:247977"]
You said:

Jesus said :"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; Mt. 10:34 -35

Did it seem like Jesus was too worried about people being turned off or turned away by him?:dancing:

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Are you always this confrontational with other Catholics? Not everyone can be a Paul in this world. Even the apostles had their different personalities, some more timid than others, and how they reached the masses. You don't have to be so brash to constantly make a point with people. Sometimes honey is better than vinegar.

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#34

Jesus said :"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; Mt. 10:34 -35

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#35

[quote="bluerose, post:23, topic:247977"]
Uh, no, we haven't. Just because we choose to do our evangelizing in different ways (like face to face) than you do does not mean we have copped out. Some of us, like PatriceA, use our facebook accounts for what you may consider frivolous reason, but they matter to us in keeping us connected with people we care about in a "cup of coffee at the kitchen table" sort of way.

Personally, the entire format of social networks is not conducive to effective evangelizing. People who might disagree with you or have questions really have no way of being able to talk with you in a calm manner because five other people have jumped in and either agreed with you without compromise or disagreed with you without compromise and the whole thing degenerates into a shouting match with hurt feelings and misunderstandings on both sides. Thus the message, no matter how good and edifying, gets lost.

If YOU want to turn facebook (or myspace or whatever) into your pulpit, no one is stopping you. But that's not what everyone uses it for. I have blocked or unfriended people whose posts are nothing but constant diatribes for or against the government, religion, etc. I'd rather have a real meeting of the minds rather than dueling posts when it comes to serious topics. I don't go on facebook to be "enlightened" by anyone. I want to find out how the kids' soccer game went, see the pictures from a graduation that was too far for me to attend, wish someone well on a job interview, etc.

Some of us, to use your own words, don't hide our light under a basket... but our lampstand is somewhere other than a computer screen.

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I think this is well put, bluerose. :thumbsup: Soccerdad and Patrice, maybe -* just a suggestion *- look at the big picture. It may be helpful to remember that we have "different gifts but the same Spirit," hm? Maybe Soccerdad is "called" to a more confrontational approach although I would say it would be wise and prudent to make sure one is calm before posting whether on FB, CAF, or elsewhere. One's points will be better articulated and perhaps more likely to be thoughtfully received that way.

And maybe Patrice and others are called to a different approach, and the balance of these is what will ultimately prove most helpful to building up God's Kingdom here on earth.

Besides, Facebook isn't the be-all and end-all. There was a time, back when I was younger, when we all didn't have instantaneous access to a global platform (those stone tablets got heavy to carry around :p ) and somehow the same struggles between good and evil were going on and evangelization was still possible. Life affords a smorgasbord of different media in which to get the Good News across.

Caveat - I say this as one who did pull back from posting the things that brought the snark and trollish comments on. And got me steamed up - and put me in the occasion of sin towards making an angry, uncharitable retort. So I chose not to go down that road. I feel I made the right decision for myself in that situation. For more on that, see these threads:

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=540051 and

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=544761

Some may think me wimpy, but I say that there's nothing wrong with just using FB as a way to connect with friends and family, and nothing more. You can also use it to evangelize, but it's not mandatory.

Just my :twocents:

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#36

[quote="3DOCTORS, post:35, topic:247977"]
I think this is well put, bluerose. :thumbsup: Soccerdad and Patrice, maybe -* just a suggestion *- look at the big picture. It may be helpful to remember that we have "different gifts but the same Spirit," hm? Maybe Soccerdad is "called" to a more confrontational approach although I would say it would be wise and prudent to make sure one is calm before posting whether on FB, CAF, or elsewhere. One's points will be better articulated and perhaps more likely to be thoughtfully received that way.

And maybe Patrice and others are called to a different approach, and the balance of these is what will ultimately prove most helpful to building up God's Kingdom here on earth.

Besides, Facebook isn't the be-all and end-all. There was a time, back when I was younger, when we all didn't have instantaneous access to a global platform (those stone tablets got heavy to carry around :p ) and somehow the same struggles between good and evil were going on and evangelization was still possible. Life affords a smorgasbord of different media in which to get the Good News across.

Caveat - I say this as one who did pull back from posting the things that brought the snark and trollish comments on. And got me steamed up - and put me in the occasion of sin towards making an angry, uncharitable retort. So I chose not to go down that road. I feel I made the right decision for myself in that situation. For more on that, see these threads:

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=540051 and

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=544761

Some may think me wimpy, but I say that there's nothing wrong with just using FB as a way to connect with friends and family, and nothing more. You can also use it to evangelize, but it's not mandatory.

Just my :twocents:

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Actually, I thought I was looking at the bigger picture. There is room for many, many gifts. And there are many, many avenues to achieve one's goals. Facebook can be one of them. I just thought there were a few people getting "bullied" in this thread because they don't want to approach evangelizing people on Facebook or as in brash as the manner the OP seems to want everyone to be. I love the go-getter, but the "timid" or the mild evangelizer is just as needed in God's plan. We shouldn't step on other Catholics that may take a different path of using their gifts while we're trying to use our own gifts to the best of our abilities.

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#37

[quote="PatriceA, post:36, topic:247977"]
Actually, I thought I was looking at the bigger picture. There is room for many, many gifts. And there are many, many avenues to achieve one's goals. Facebook can be one of them. I just thought there were a few people getting "bullied" in this thread because they don't want to approach evangelizing people on Facebook or as in brash as the manner the OP seems to want everyone to be. I love the go-getter, but the "timid" or the mild evangelizer is just as needed in God's plan. We shouldn't step on other Catholics that may take a different path of using their gifts while we're trying to use our own gifts to the best of our abilities.

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That's right. Hope I didn't sound critical of you and my apologies if I did. :o Maybe the OP just got a little polarized but I don't want to judge, as I just jumped into this thread in the middle. It's easy for any of us to say things quickly with a computer. :manvspc: Whether here or Facebook.

I've done it myself. Working on learning to pace myself and use discernment. Some years ago I even learned that lesson the hard way with snail mail. I'd get upset and write someone a sharply worded letter which hurt them and our interactions. Finally I imposed a 24-hour rule - no mailing any letters without a 24-hour cooling-off period. Something proportional is what I'm suggesting with forum posts and Facebook and similar cyber venues.

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#38

Ok 1 last time -
1st I am sorry to anyone who felt bullied it was not and is not my intention to do so
also, I agree that people are called in different manners to serve our Lord and I fully accept His wisdom over mine as I am completely lost without Him.

That being said - I reject any assertion by anyone that I am supposed to sit down and shut up about the moral issues THAT AFFECT THE VERY SOULS OF MY CHILDREN! in the name of playing nice and everybody singing cumbaya together - I could not care less whether the people on my friend list or even the people in this forum like me or are put off by the way I talk. I will not try to attract bees with honey or whatever while the gay lobby is practically screaming through our televisions at us and jamming their deviant choices down our throats. Just yesterday and while we were all having this debate Governor Jerry Brown (CA - Gay rights supporter) signed SB 48 into law which now mandates homosexuality be taught in our schools by introducing the "great gay leaders" of our times. I am now forced to choose a catholic private school which to date there is literally NO MONEY FOR or homeschool (I have no idea if this is even possible) or to move out of state away from their grandparents cousins and most of our family -this morning I am shell shocked and ticked off to put it mildly. I praise the good Lord and trust in His Providence to deliver us from this evil - and may Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.

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#39

@Soccerdad57
Keep doing what your doing and look back to the early church fathers if you need a boost in the face of adversity, such as Augustine. They told it how it was and didn’t sugar coat it. I recently have read quite a few quotes from Martin Luther of all people on contraception. Guess what…he was against it…and definitely didn’t sugar coat his opposition to it in any way. However after saying this know the interwebs are a war ground and it is so easy to get sucked into their rhetoric. I believe that God has put it in some people’s hearts more than for others to be warriors on the spiritual battlefield and to bring the fight to the enemy and it seems you are one of them. Embrace it and do what you can to keep fighting the good fight!

Here is one of Martin Luther’s more toned down quotes:

"Today you find many people who do not want to have children. More-over, this callousness and inhuman attitude, which is worse than barbarous, is met with chiefly among the nobility and princes, who often refrain from marriage for this one single reason, that they might have no offspring. It is even more disgraceful that you find princes who allow themselves to be forced not to marry, for fear that the members of their house would increase beyond a definite limit. Surely such men deserve that their memory be blotted out from the land of the living. Who is there who would not detest these swinish monsters? But these facts, too, serve to emphasize original sin. Otherwise we would marvel at procreation as the greatest work of God, and as a most outstanding gift we would honor it with the praises it deserves."
Martin Luther

Check out what Luther said about the deed of Onan in Genesis 38:8-10 if you want something more colorful :wink:

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