Fainting/Falling at Prophesy/Healing Event

#26

It is an emotional reaction, some people are very susceptible to suggestion so they expect to “fall out” or they see others “fall out” and they follow suit.

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#27

Thanks. I really wish these ministries would put this type of info prominently on their web pages for the benefit of those of us who want to make sure we are attending legit events.

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#28

I agree. It took quite a bit of googling to figure that out. If you are legitimate, I don’t understand why you would not include this on your website some place.

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#29

Also remember, if anyone is coming in to give a ministry, a talk, a retreat, a musical event, at your parish, be they religious or lay persons, your Diocese must approve them to come in. If you have questions you can call the Chancery office at your Diocese and verify that someone remembered to get the guest approved.

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#30

Long ago, I went to a retreat with Fr. Peter Rookey (the “miracle priest”) and at the end, those that wanted to receive a blessing lined up standing left to right. An announcement was made that some people may have a reaction “like fainting” so two escorts would assist them to gently lay down. I did not have any thought of ME reacting like that and wished a blessing so went up to take my place. When Father got to me he touched my forehead and next, I experienced the most peaceful feeling of pure rest as I returned to awareness. Yes, I had the experience. It was too beautiful for me to speak of - because the topic has been brought up, I thought I would share. Nothing else to add.

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#31

One cannot receive gifts such as tongues simply by asking for it, or by virtue of his Confirmation, as I have had various Charismatics claim, with my own ears. As the Baltimore Catechism teaches: “Such powers as the ‘gift of tongues’ were not a part of the Sacrament of Confirmation, but they were added to it by the Holy Ghost when necessary for the good of the Church” (q. 449). The teaching of the Church is clear; such extraordinary phenomena are not intrinsic to Confirmation, but added to it when necessary.

As proof of this, the Church also teaches that the gift of tongues have not continued on a large scale in these days. While there are later cases of genuine gift of tongues, for example, with St. Francis Xavier, these were specific instances in which tongues were, as the Baltimore Catechism teaches, “necessary for the good of the Church”. Remember St. Francis Xavier was a missionary.) Again, the same Catechism is very clear: “These signs are not continued everywhere at the present time, because now that the Church is fully established and its divine character and power proved in other ways, such signs are no longer necessary” (q. 448).

The same goes for other things, like the gift of healing.

So, appealing to things which happened during the Apostolic era isn’t exactly a strong argument.

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#32

Of course it is still a strong argument!

I don’t see anyone here claiming everyone can speak in tongue or heal. In comparison to the whole church, the number of people claiming to have these gifts is quite small.

If God could do it then, he can do it now. The Baltimore Catechism did not say these gifts were extinct.

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#33

The Holy Spirit also provides gifts of faith and wisdom.

Yet everybody gets all hung up on the tongues.

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#34

What about the teaching of St. Augustine?

“Brothers, has the holy Spirit not been given now? Whoever thinks this is not deserving to receive. He is given and now. Why then is no one speaking in the tongues of all the nations just as he spoke who at the time was being filled with the holy Spirit? Why? Because this was a sign that has been satisfied”. — MPL Vol. 38. Augustine. Sermo CCLXVII (267) Col. 1230ff

Yes, the number of people who claim to speaking in tongues, have the gift of healing, etc, is small; however, the denial of gratia gratis data is still troubling.

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#35

We must distinguish between the ordinary and the extraordinary. Then there’s also gratia gratia data to consider.

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#36

Teresa of Avila writes bout these phenomena.

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#37

I once saw a Pentacostal minister on TV pray in tongues. I recognized what he was saying. He was saying “Glory be to Satan.” in Arabic.

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#38

St Teresa of Avila wrote about that also. ,

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#39

I always leave before the dogs start barking.

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#40

My very conservative Catholic husband and I ( also a devout Catholic) went to a retreat and as the priest blessed people on the first night some did faint.
When my husband saw that, he was ready to leave right then. I convinced him to stay until the end of the mass and then leave.
When we went up to be blessed, he fainted, or as they call it “slain in the Spirit”.
No one was more surprised than he.
We did stay for the whole retreat and took our daughter to a mass by the same priest a few weeks later. He fainted again at that mass. I have never felt any weakening at either of these events.

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#41

Certainly applies to glossolia, but healing is certainly nessecary in today’s age

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#42

You know, God is in control. What may have been the will of God in one time may not be his will in another and vice versa.

Additionally, we can quench the Holy Spirit when we choose and for whatever reason we choose. Jesus Christ himself could not perform miracles amongst those who did not want to have faith and did not want to respond to His grace.

People continue to be healed. People continue to speak in tongues they had not knowledge of before. I don’t presume to know why God does what he does.

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#43

And I don’t think God would grant extraordinary favors to a movement whose founding was essentially a direct violation of the laws of the Church.

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#44

Do you have a citation for that?

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#45

1917 Code of Canon Law, canon 1258.

The objection is obvious: “But it’s abrogated!”

To which I respond: “Yes, but it was in effect when the Charismatic movement began. And those Catholics who attended the Protestant service and began the movement, would have been bound to obey the Church law of their time. The only way to justify their disobedience would have been the principle of equity, which does not work in this situation”.

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