=spiderweb;12827428]I agree and understand this. I have several difficulties in grasping the non-Catholic view though. For instance Christ died for all men, therefore all men are redeemed. What’s the difference between the redeemed and unsaved and the redeemed and the saved? Is it possible to have faith which is not saving faith leading to saving grace? How do you know the difference?
Certainly scripture says, not all who call Lord Lord, etc. And Paul describes saving faith as a faith that works through love.
At what point is saving grace freely given to a person?
Maybe I’m thinking too much, but it seems grace was given to all people on the cross.
Is it when they first believe in Jesus?
One can’t come to faith without grace in the first place.
Is it when they first repent for sins?
Same as previous.
Is it when they are born or conceived?
In the womb He knows us.
We certainly receive forgiveness of sins at Baptism. We are indeed regenerated there.
Can a person have saving grace and at the same time be unrepentant of sins?
One can reject grace.
What constitutes repentance? When/how is forgiveness of sins given. Are those sins just covered over, or taken away?
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins…
Then there is the Power of the Keys, to bind and loose.
I know these are a lot of questions and I don’t expect them all to be answered at once. I’m not trying to argue with anyone, I’m just trying to get a better understanding of non-Catholic viewpoints recognizing that they may differ from each other.
As you say, it depends on the communion you’re talking about. I certainly do not speak for all non-Catholic Christians, but I hope what I said helps.