faith and good works


#1

as a catholic how do i explain faith and good works to a Protestant who is bible alone faith alone help me to do so biblically and not biblically combine the two show me some examples and throw out some verse thank you and god bless


#2

[quote=Jacob9480]as a catholic how do i explain faith and good works to a Protestant who is bible alone faith alone help me to do so biblically and not biblically combine the two show me some examples and throw out some verse thank you and god bless
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If a Protestant, or a Catholic has the proper understanding of the word faith, then yes, one can say that they are saved by faith through grace. However, most Protestants understand faith to be a belief in the feduciary promises of Christ. Catholics understand faith in its fullest context, obedience to the will of God. If I say that I have a faithful wife, do you understand that to mean a wife that believes in my promises, or a wife that is loyal and obedient (ladies, please no egg throwing). If my wife is truely and willingly obedient and loyal, she will automatically believe in my promises. But, she may believe in my promises, but be rebellious and an adulterer. I want the loyal and submissive wife. God wants the same. So, if you mean faith in this way, you can say that you are saved by faith alone, because that faith will manifest itself in works.


#3

Simple.

Abraham was a model of our faith. Abraham had faith in God in everything that he do. But everytime God asks Abraham to do something, he didn’t just have faith on what was said, but completed his faith with works. Meaning he did what was asked by God for him to do because of his faith.

See the book of James for further explanation about faith. It says there that if you just have faith and do no works, it is useless. It’s like a an empty can that all you hear is noise. BTW, even evil spirits believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour–and they tremble with fear!
God bless!

Pio


#4

Exactly, faith means obedience through action to the will of God.

[quote=hlgomez]Simple.

Abraham was a model of our faith. Abraham had faith in God in everything that he do. But everytime God asks Abraham to do something, he didn’t just have faith on what was said, but completed his faith with works. Meaning he did what was asked by God for him to do because of his faith.

See the book of James for further explanation about faith. It says there that if you just have faith and do no works, it is useless. It’s like a an empty can that all you hear is noise. BTW, even evil spirits believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour–and they tremble with fear!
God bless!

Pio
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#5

James 2:14-26 says,

14What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? [NO!] 15If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? 17So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.

18But some one will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe–and shudder. 20Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 22You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, 23and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God. 24You see that a man is justified by [faith and] works and not by faith alone. 25And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.


#6

1 John 2:3-6 says,
3And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5but whoever keeps his word, in him truly love for God is perfected. By this we may be sure that we are in him: 6he who says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.


#7

[quote=Jacob9480]as a catholic how do i explain faith and good works to a Protestant who is bible alone faith alone help me to do so biblically and not biblically combine the two show me some examples and throw out some verse thank you and god bless
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Jacob I know that the word “works” aways is a point of contention between Catholics and our separarted brethren the way I have found to discribe that word to them is by defining it as love and charity. Without either of those does anyone really beleive to get into Heaven? God Bless all here.


#8

Hello,

I listed a whole series of verses showing how we are justified by grace through our good works as well as through faith in the following thread.

forum.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=107215#post107215

I hope that this information help you. :slight_smile:


#9

“You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works” James 2:22

“For in Christ Jesus** neither circumcision** nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love.” Gal 5:6

Most Protestants view works as a by-product of faith - that is, faith comes first, and saves, and then works flow from the faith. The relationship is seen as a one-way street. The biblical view is circular: faith inspires works, works strengthen faith. Faith is a gift,

" For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God" Eph 2:8

This gift is like athletic gifts - it is a potentiality that can only realize full fruition (salvation) through study (“hearing”), practice (“works”), and discipline (“suffering”).

24] Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it.
25] Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.
26] Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air;
27] but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.” 1 Cor 9

" So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ." Rom 10:17

6] For he will render to every man according to his works:
7] to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
8] but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.
9] There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,
10] but glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.” Rom 2

" 4] In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
5] And have you forgotten the exhortation which addresses you as sons? – "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor lose courage when you are punished by him.
6] For the Lord disciplines him whom he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.“
7] It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
8] If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
9] Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?
10] For they disciplined us for a short time at their pleasure, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness.” Heb 12


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