This is in response to Marineboy’s last post to me.
Do not refer to me again as Kirky. You may call me JKirkLVNV.
You still fail to deal with the following statement from the Catechism: Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”
You posted this:*** “Only those must be considered members of the Church, who hae recieved the bath of regeneration, WHO PROFESS THE TRUE FAITH, AND HAVE NOT MISERABLY WITHDRAWN FROM THE UNION OF THE BODY NOR HAVE BEEN SEPERATED BY LEGITAMTE AUTHORITY.”*** I reply with this: 818*** “However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.” ***
I am not a heretic. I fully accept all that Holy Mother Church teaches and submit to it. You’ll find that all I’ve done is quote the Catechism and in context, too. I have not denied EENS, nor any other dogma of the Church. If it is a dogma of the Church, it is by definition unchanging. I do, however, deny that the Successor to Peter and the Bishops in communion with him cannot further explain, illuminate, clarify, and explicate those unchanging dogmas. Otherwise, we would be as well to do away with the Teaching Church, the Magisterium.
I am not saying that Protestants have the same fullness of Truth, because they don’t. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t convert, because they should. I’m not saying that they aren’t deficient, because they are. I’ve no idea why anyone would want to go to one of their worship services when one could go to Mass. I wouldn’t bother getting up on Sunday morning if a long lecture was all I had to look forward to. I’m simply stating what the Catechism says, that Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation. It seems you have trouble with what Pope John Paul taught in the Catechism. You said I verged on heresy, yet all I’ve done is quote from it. You aren’t suggesting that the old Holy Father was a heretic, are you?
I’m not interested if any non-Catholic Christians like me. I’m 43, I don’t go in for popularity contests. I’ll tell you straightforwardly what I am interested in: My 88 year old grandfather has been a faithful Christian all of his life. He’s a Southern Baptist deacon. He has loved Christ and followed Him. He has constantly sought to do His will, prayerfully and earnestly. He and my grandmother (she died in 1997, so I assume, according to you, that she is already burning in the pit of hell for all eternity) taught me to love Christ and to commit my life to Him. It was they, I firmly believe, who unwittingly set my feet on the path to the fullness of Truth in the Catholic Church, yet she died, and he will die, outside of it. They have been and are more Christian in their daily walk and witness to Jesus Christ than any Catholic, priest or lay, that I am personally aquainted with (I’m obviously not personally aquainted with the likes of the saints, or the old Holy Father or Pope Benedict). I have NO intention of saying to my old grandfather, whom I love and reverence,“By the by, old man, convert to Catholicism or you’re doomed, doooooomed I tell you!” I don’t believe that he is and I don’t believe that the Catechism teaches that he is. I’ve managed to clear up some of his misconceptions about the Church, but he’s still got a lot that he doesn’t believe. He has, however, been baptized, followed Christ, and lived a life of near heroic charity. I’m not worried about him.
Finally, I’m touched by your concern for the state of my soul. I examine my conscience every night and I go to confession once a week. I take nothing for granted, but I hope in Christ’s Grace.