False Prophesies of LDS Prophets

The Coming of the Lord
President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh - even fifty six years should wind up the scene. (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).


David W. Patten to go on a mission
Verily, thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto the world. (Doctrine & Covenants 114:1)
This prophecy was made on April 17, 1838. David W. Patten died in October of 1838 and thus never went on a mission the following spring.

he United States Government to be overthrown in a few years
I prophecy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left for their wickedness in permitting the murder of men, women and children, and the wholesale plunder and extermination of thousands of her citizens to go unpunished (History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 394).


Congress to be broken up as a government
While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy Priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if Congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government, and God shall damn them, and there shall be nothing left of them - not even a grease spot. (Millennial Star, Vol. 22, p. 455. See also History of the Church (HC), vol. 6, p. 116, though when this prediction was incorporated into the official history, Mormon Church leaders decided to leave out the “grease spot” part.)

inding Treasure in Salem, Massachusetts
This prophecy is recorded in Doctrine & Covenants Section 111. The introduction to this prophecy, found at the beginning of Section 111 states:
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Salem, Massachusetts, August 6, 1836. HC 2:465-466. At this time the leaders of the [LDS] Church were heavily in debt due to their labors in the ministry.

  1. I, the Lord your God, am not displeased with your coming this journey, notwithstanding your follies.

  2. I have much treasure in this city for you, for the benefit of Zion, and many people in this city, whom I will gather out in due time for the benefit of Zion, through your instrumentality.

  3. Therefore, it is expedient that you should form acquaintance with men in this city, as you shall be led, and as it shall be given you.

  4. And it shall come to pass in due time that I will give this city into your hands, that you shall have power over it, insomuch that they shall not discover your secret parts; and its wealth pertaining to gold and silver shall be yours.

  5. Concern not yourselves about your debts, for I will give you power to pay them.

No treasure was ever discovered, nor did Salem ever fell into the hands of the Mormons.


Pestilence, Hail, Famine & Earthquake to Destroy the Wicked
And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north country. The people of the Lord, those who have complied with the requirements of the new covenant, have already commenced gathering together to Zion, which is in the state of Missouri; therefore I declare unto you the warning which the Lord has commanded to declare unto this generation, remembering that the eyes of my Maker are upon me, and that to him I am accountable for every word I say, wishing nothing worse to my fellow-men than their eternal salvation; therefore, “Fear God, and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come.” Repent ye, repent ye, and embrace the everlasting covenant and flee to Zion, before the overflowing scourge overtake you, for there are those now living upon the earth whose eyes shall not be closed in death until they see all these things, which I have spoken, fulfilled (History of the Church, Vol. 1, pp. 315-316).


emple to be Built in Zion, Missouri

This prophecy comes directly from Doctrine & Covenants Section 84, the introduction of which states:
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, September 22 and 23, 1832. HC 1:286-295.

  1. A revelation of Jesus Christ unto his servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and six elders, as they united their hearts and lifted their voices on high.

  2. Yea, the word of the Lord concerning his church, established in the last days for the restoration of his people, as he has spoken by the mouth of his prophets, and for the gathering of his saints to stand upon Mount Zion, which shall be the city of New Jerusalem.

  3. Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased.

  4. Verily, this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation.

  5. For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house.
    The Mormons were forced to flee Missouri due to persecution and a temple was never built on the “temple lot” in the lifetime of Joseph Smith or within the generation of his contemporaries.


The Coming of the Lord
President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh - even fifty six years should wind up the scene. (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).

When did he write this?

February 14, 1835 when the LDS were in Kirtland.

Evan said js never had a failed prophesy. Cannot wait for his cut and paste apologetics…

Yeah, this is the subject where I’ve seen the LDS mental gymnastics reach olympic levels.


Yes…but they usually only get a 5.4 from the Catholic Judges…


TexanKnight, You provide these statements a couple of times a year. I explained this very quote from Joseph last year in August but it appears to have fallen on deaf ears. I’m not sure much will change with you, but for the benefit of others I will simply quote what I said previously.

Of course, it was not Joseph who erred.

It was the scribe.

it was the printer.


Is that an allusion to The Fugitive?

Only the last part… I don’t think there was a scribe or a printer in The Fugitive. :smiley:

I see it the same as those who are caught millennium fever, and predict the end. Keep moving the date, and yet, every date is wrong.

1890 2000 2012

I don’t even know what the latest fever date is.

No matter how you try to explain it away, it is a failed prophecy.

Yep…because I cannot wait for the weak excuse. It makes me laugh. When his scribes wrote stuff you like,js was awesome! But when they wrote stuff that js said that you do not like, you blame the scribe…

How convenient.

Js said it. it did not happen. Failed prophesy…one of many

And to be fair, I would NOT “provide these statements” ever except we keep getting mormons who come in here and claim lds “prophets” have never made false prophesies.

I then feel I need to correct the record.

One is supposed to test their prophets. How do you know it was a scribal error and not a false prophesy? What have you tested it against?

Yes. My all-time favorite tv show. I have the whole series on DVD.

Interesting that you make this accusation against Texan when this is exactly what the LDS church does on a daily basis with the Bible and on occasion with the Early Church Fathers.

The verses from the Bible the LDS church uses to support their doctrine are taken out of context and are used to support a false prophet. Alas, there are some people who accept what the LDS church teaches without considering the source.

wait a minute… God didn’t know Joseph would die before the age of 85??? Wouldn’t God at least revise his ‘revelation’ once it was obvious that it would not take place?:shrug:

I will give Texan a 9.9. I quite enjoy his posts. I would be speculative if he were just typing things without any evidence but when its in their own D&C, well that must mean something right?

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