[quote=ByzCath]You are right here. The issue of Fatima and the Consecration of Russia can be disccused intelligently.
It does not matter as the command(?) to consecrate Russia falls outside of the Deposit of Faith and public revelation. It is in the realm of private revelation and has no bearing on the Catholic Faith. I can, as a good and faithful Catholic, believe that Fatima is false.
It is a non-issue.
Now to bring up Fr Gruner, any “documentary” that he endorses is automatically suspect.
You will also find that many in the Fr Gruner camp think that Fatima should be held as a de fide of the Church, which it is not.
I would also say that when you provide links to Fr Gruner’s website to promote this “documentary” and even provide a link to buy it and thereby support Fr Gruner’s “ministry” you should expect for others to point out the facts about Fr Gruner.
If this “documentary” was worth anything it would be airing on EWTN, the Catholic Network, not some pseudo christian Family Network like PAX TV. Now I don’t have anything against that channel but I do not watch it.
I would simply respond as follows. I agree that we are only to put human belief in an approved apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary. And we do not even have to do that.
However, I would have to strongly disagree that because Fatima is outside the “Deposit of Faith” it is therefore a non-issue. The Blessed Virgin Mary gave a very specific and simple to follow request in asking Russia to be consecrated to her Immaculate Heart. She also stated explicitly what would follow depending on whether or not her request was heeded.
Now, if all there was to Fatima was a purported apparition with some inner locutions I could easily say, “Big deal.”
However, when this apparition is backed up by what I would call the greatest public miracle since Biblical times (the Miracle of the Sun) then it would behoove us to take the request of Our Lady very seriously indeed.
I mean, if the Miracle of the Sun is not enough to at least get us to take Our Lady’s requests seriously, then what is?
Thus, again, the question of whether or not Russia has been consecrated as Our Lady requested is quite relevant for today.
If someone starts watching the documentary with the notion that it is “suspect” because Father Gruner is involved with it, that is fine by me. I just hope people watch it.
As far as the special being on PAX, well, it wasn’t produced by PAX. Thus, the worth of the documentary does not seem related to which channel shows it. I like EWTN, but I honestly would not expect them to air a show on such a hot button issue. Thus it would need to be aired on a channel like PAX.
Further, I have never read anywhere on Fatima.org anyone referring to Fatima as part of the “de fide” Deposit of Faith. They take Fatima seriously, yes, and do consider it weightier than at least a regular “private revelation”. I would also because of the Miracle of the Sun as stated above, even though I grant that people do not have to believe in Fatima.
Well, here’s hoping that people watch the documentary tomorrow or order it!