Fatima Secrets? Anti-Christ and Petere's Bones?

Hello All,

I’m hoping someone can set me straigt on the Fatima Secrets (with evidance of where they get their answer).

A local radio station was “explaining” the 3 secrets of Fatima and what would be happening with the Popes. Apparently, the last secret was that St Peter’s Bones would be dragged through the streets by the last Pope (Anti-Christ).

They were saying that there was a Saint (Moprphous?) (sp?), who saw all the Popes and their ‘coat of arms’ which explained who they were. Apparently the Vatican took this information and has never released it. :rolleyes:

Anyway, this coat of arms says that the current Pope is the White pope, the next one will be the Black Pope and will only raign for around 6 months and they we will have the last Pope who will drag St Peter’s Bones around.

Can anyone tell me what the three secrets of Fatima are, and has anyone hear of this Saint that saw the lingiage of the Popes?

Thanks everyone!
John

Here is a link to the three secrets of Fatima. The stuff about the anti-Christ and St. Peter’s bones I personally think is dreck, and there is nothing in the third secret about it, unless you subscribe to the idea that the third secret (verified by Sr. Lucia) is not really the third secret at all. . .

This link is directly to the Vatican site. I’d say it sounds pretty trustworthy.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

Thanks!

I’ll wade my way through that.

Also, the is the first and second secret about WWII and the fall of Russia?

Anyway, this coat of arms says that the current Pope is the White pope, the next one will be the Black Pope and will only raign for around 6 months and they we will have the last Pope who will drag St Peter’s Bones around.

Oh man, people who buy into this stuff are gonna go nuts if Cardinal Arinze gets elected (as I’ve read is a decent possibility). I pretty much think any theory that says a pope is the antichrist is bunk.

[quote=JohnL_Duncan]Hello All,

I’m hoping someone can set me straigt on the Fatima Secrets (with evidance of where they get their answer).

A local radio station was “explaining” the 3 secrets of Fatima and what would be happening with the Popes. Apparently, the last secret was that St Peter’s Bones would be dragged through the streets by the last Pope (Anti-Christ).

They were saying that there was a Saint (Moprphous?) (sp?), who saw all the Popes and their ‘coat of arms’ which explained who they were. Apparently the Vatican took this information and has never released it. :rolleyes:

Anyway, this coat of arms says that the current Pope is the White pope, the next one will be the Black Pope and will only raign for around 6 months and they we will have the last Pope who will drag St Peter’s Bones around.

Can anyone tell me what the three secrets of Fatima are, and has anyone hear of this Saint that saw the lingiage of the Popes?

Thanks everyone!
John
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I believe you are talking about St. Malachy’s prophecies of the Popes. Here’s a link, of which I am not ascribing any particular credence one way or another:

catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

It is really unknown whether or not this is real or fake. It strikes me like Nostradamus - you can find some way to make just about any Pope fit the bill. Also, there is no guarantee that these are continuous. ie. the second to the last Pope on the list is not necessarily the second to the last Pope. It could be the last one listed until the final Pope, even if it is real.

Also, the is the first and second secret about WWII and the fall of Russia?

First secret - concerns a vision of hell the children saw - a prayer they were taught to help the souls of sinners, and the devotion of the 5 first saturdays to make reparation.

Second secret - concerned the end of WWI, and predictions of WWII. Also - Russia’s future of spreading her errors, and the need for that country’s conversion.

This should all be in the Vatican’s link that was already provided.

Yea it was St. Malachy, thanks for setting me straight on that.

[quote=gomer tree]I believe you are talking about St. Malachy’s prophecies of the Popes. Here’s a link, of which I am not ascribing any particular credence one way or another:

catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

It is really unknown whether or not this is real or fake. It strikes me like Nostradamus - you can find some way to make just about any Pope fit the bill. Also, there is no guarantee that these are continuous. ie. the second to the last Pope on the list is not necessarily the second to the last Pope. It could be the last one listed until the final Pope, even if it is real.
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Anyway, this coat of arms says that the current Pope is the White pope, the next one will be the Black Pope and will only raign for around 6 months and they we will have the last Pope who will drag St Peter’s Bones around.

John,

By actually saying that a pope will desecrate the universal Church is just like saying that the kingdom of hell has prevailed against the Church and making the words of our Saviour a lie–that’s blaspheming and utter unbelief! It’s either you believe in this lie or stop entertaining them.

Pio

I do agree with you that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church. It’s just that non-Cathoics like to take the position that the Catholic Church isn’t the church of God and use such things like the Pope against us.

I’m just trying to get my facts straight so I can correctly apologize others.

[quote=hlgomez]John,

By actually saying that a pope will desecrate the universal Church is just like saying that the kingdom of hell has prevailed against the Church and making the words of our Saviour a lie–that’s blaspheming and utter unbelief! It’s either you believe in this lie or stop entertaining them.

Pio
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I do agree with you that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church. It’s just that non-Cathoics like to take the position that the Catholic Church isn’t the church of God and use such things like the Pope against us.

They have to take this position - otherwise the alternative is to admit that their own position is incorrect.

Go on to some of their forums - they argue back and forth endlessly with each other about Calvin, Luther, and Hunt - and whoever else.
They accuse us concerning our pope - and yet they hold these human beings up to be true interpretors of God’s word.
They have set up their own “popes” whether they want to admit it or not.

[quote=JohnL_Duncan]Apparently, the last secret was that St Peter’s Bones would be dragged through the streets by the last Pope (Anti-Christ).
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I think the easiest way to refute this is to actually read what has been released on the third secret.

They were saying that there was a Saint (Moprphous?) (sp?), who saw all the Popes and their ‘coat of arms’ which explained who they were. Apparently the Vatican took this information and has never released it. :rolleyes:

For never releasing it, they’ve done a crummy job of containing it. You can find it pretty much anywhere. But they are wrong. The supposed list never says anything about a coat of arms or anything else. There is a list of short phrases supposedly attributable to each Pope. Some people who have tried to reconcile the list to each Pope have made a connection with what is in the Pope’s coat of arms. But the supposed ties are not limited to that. It may be country of origin, or nearly anything that somehow ties them to the phrase in question.

Anyway, this coat of arms says that the current Pope is the White pope, the next one will be the Black Pope and will only raign for around 6 months and they we will have the last Pope who will drag St Peter’s Bones around.

I don’t know where this comes from, but they are wrong. The phrase attributable to John Paul II is “De labore Solis.” As stated in the link: “(of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labour of the sun) Hist.:Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse. He also comes from behind the former Iron Curtain. He might also be seen to be the fruit of the intercession of the Woman Clothed with the Sun labouring in Revelation 12 (because of his devotion to the Virgin Mary).of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labour of the sun)”

The next Pope has the phrase: “Gloria Olivae” This has brought speculation ranging from a Pope with darker skin, to a Pope who is of Jewish origin, to who knows what. In any case, the old “black pope” story isn’t from this list, but I think I’ve heard other similar nonsense elsewhere.

Finally, the last Pope from this list hardly seems to fit the bill of an anti-Christ figure. It is the most extensive phrase of all the Popes: “In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis ciuitas septicollis diruetur, & Iudex tremêdus iudicabit populum suum. Finis.” From the link again, “(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)”

If someone is going to point to Malachy’s prophecy, to call the Pope the anti-Christ, they may want to actually figure out the Latin.

In any case, the whole thing is highly suspect. But even if not, then what they are saying about it is clearly wrong.

The truth is that no one knows the three secrets of the Fatima miracle. The Pope never told what the secrets really were.If any new revelations are revealed in Madonna appearances Rome makes sure the public never finds out what is really said, so as not to cause undue panic.

It’s kind of like the Roswell crash in 1948. A UFO definitely crashed, but the military covered the whole thing up and made it out to be a weather balloon. The Vatican and the Pope hush up Marian prophecies as well to the people.

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