FBI ran website sharing thousands of child porn images


#21

That is more cynicism than reality. Very few actions taken by the government are objectively evil. Specifically, little law enforcement does can be described as objective evil. Spreading child pornography is beyond the pale of acceptable behavior.


#22

I’m not sure I agree they spread it. They took over a site and removed the security so they can see who is downloading. Presumably all the data on the site was encrypted so this enabled them to get some of the members. It sounds to me like the people they caught downloading were already members. I don’t think these types of sites are easy to find or easy to get a membership so whoever is on it is a professional. You don’t accidentally run across stuff like this.


#23

I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that when they took over the site, they continued to operate it as it was, distributing child pornography to those who asked, paid, were members, or however it was being run. It would be different if they just stopped short of making the material available, but the article seemed to indicate they did not do that. Think in terms of a prostitution sting where police dressed as prostitutes “solicit” clients. There are strict guidelines into how far they can go without it being entrapment. In no cases are they allowed to go through with the “transaction”. The FBI, according to the article, continued to download the material for two weeks, something that is gravely immoral, being contrary to both common decency and standard practice.


#24

Someone like this ought to be kept in a mental institution for life.


#25

I would say there is a difference between agents of the government lying and civilians resisting an unjust government. I would concede that there may be a moral cost to having to lie constantly even in a good cause, i.e., saving Jews from death.

I would also point out that “the Church” didn’t do anything officially. Individual laymen, priests, bishops and abbots made their own decisions in light of their own conscience.


#26

I agree!


#27

Perhaps the Church didn’t do anything officially but did the Church since that time ever condemn those individual actions?


#28

undercover police do buy and sell drugs. They’ve also allowed other criminals to commit crimes instead of blowing their cover, which very likely has resulted in someones death. . It would be easier to trace the digital downloads than how drugs flow after being sold.


#29

Selling drugs, a reverse sting, is rare, and is accompanied by immediate arrest so the drugs do not go out. If selling drugs is part of an operation to establish credibility, then it is equally immoral. One can not do evil so that good may come. Giving other examples of police that do this does not change this moral law.

This does not even touch on the morality of creating a crime so a criminal can be arrested. Entrapment is illegal for good reason.


#30

but they still do it.


#31

What? o_O


#32

there is a thread here at CAF about this guy or you can read it in the news.


#33

In this instance, it can’t be argued this is entrapment. The network and website already existed.

And I seem to remember that God ordered Moses to send out spies to survey the land they were to inhabit. And I remember when Jesus was deceptive about going to the Festival of Booths. Certain information people don’t have a right to know, and you are not required to answer them or answer them truthfully if they ask such questions. It’s not as simple as you paint it.


#34

It is not as easy as I state it, but it is simple and basic moral theology, not that the government is obligated to act morally. Sending out spies is not the same as engaging in immoral crimes to catch those who also engage in immoral crimes. From the catechism:

1753 A good intention (for example, that of helping one’s neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means.

and

1789 *Some rules apply in every case: *
*- One may never do evil so that good may result from it; *


#35

We also have legal abortion (using the same logic of the end justifying an immoral act, btw). It is not the legality of the act that bothers me but the morality of such an operation.


#36

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