“I think this is a point of contention between us.”
My Reply: As it has been for centuries.
“The writings of the apostles were considered authoritative, in part, because they were apostles. The council in Jerusalem within the book of Acts displays the need for pronouncements from leadership. The disciples submitted to the teachings of Christ. The laity of the local Church are to submit to the Bishop and his priestly representatives in the local congregation…”
My Reply: Of course they are authoritative, but the Apostles worked in concert with each other. The Synodical structure was THE way of doing business. There is no “Cathedra” Bishop for the Bishops to “submit” to, as the head of the Church is Christ.
“All these are top-down leadership models. It’s how traditional ecclesiology has functioned since before there was even an ecclesia. Moreover, without it the Church cannot function.”
My Reply: Perhaps I was unclear in what I meant. I was referring specifically to the Supremacist model where the Pope declares, and the Bishops “assent.”
“Papal supremacy, on the other hand, is a different issue.”
My Reply: I would say it is THE issue of which all our other problems hinge.
“That’s sort of my point. You haven’t had an ecumenical council that has decreed for the whole Church that communion has actually been broken… At least, not one I’m aware of. Synods of limited participation and reach are as close as I’ve ever read about.”
My Reply: Again, why do we need a council for this? It is very simple. We have the Diptychs. Listen to who is commemorated at Divine Liturgy. Don’t hear Pope Francis’ name? That means we are not in communion. What more do we need?
“No sir. The squabbles within Orthodoxy and the squabbles within Catholicism are virtually the same. Your desire to label your own problems as “not as bad as theirs” is just a social survival mechanism kicking in.”
They’re likely every bit as bad."
My Reply: How is it possible to look at the Liturgical and Spiritual wreckage that came from Vatican II and then tell me that our problems are the same?
Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi. Your church has a very SERIOUS problem with this. There is no social survival mechanism here. We’re ok, by the grace of Our Lord.