“Well, for starters, I’m not aware of any power the pope has that isn’t also echoed in council. So as it pertains to any specific papal power that you dissent from, I know there is an ocean of literature written by excellent Catholic minds on the issue. You’re always free to reject, obviously, but it’s still there which testifies to the difficulty of objective refutation.”
My Reply: And there is literature written by Orthodox minds offering rebuttals. I am content to let people check them out and discern for themselves.
“Additionally, the Catholic model fits the same model God has always used for his people in providing consistent leadership. In the Age of Patriarchs, there was the eldest first-born heir of Adam. Then Melchizedek (who was probably Shem of that same holy line) established a priesthood that employed a high priest. Then Christ came and appointed Peter as head of the apostles.”
My Reply: Again, we have different ideas of what this “headship” means.
“It’s the Orthodox that get a little weird when they claim that a meaningful headship ended there, for some inexplicable reason. Adam’s Heir, the High Priest and Peter were certainly not merely “primus inter pares”.”
My Reply: Your use of the word “meaningful” is key here. We have very different ideas of what a “meaningful” headship is. And nothing is “merely” in our practice.
“Because it’s not possible for one to exist that could actually damage the deposit of faith. They come to be through the power of the Holy Spirit. Now they’re all men capable of sin, just like you and me. But they are preserved from destructive error just like the Apostles through the power of the Spirit.”
My Reply: There it is again. “The Deposit of Faith.” What does that mean? What are the boundaries?
“So consider: What mechanism did you see put in place to remove an apostle (other than death)? I never saw one… (I did see Paul seek confirmation from Peter, though).”
My Reply: The 12 were unique. Since there was a mechanism for replacing one, it stands to reason that one could be removed as well if the need arose (This never happened, however).
“Wait… I thought you didn’t like playing the numbers game?”
My Reply: I’m not. Using them as some kind of proof is like me pointing to the SSPX, Old Catholics or Polish Catholics. It is irrelevant.
“Any notion you hold that the Catholic Church behaves in a substantially different way on this matter is purely arbitrary. Almost comically so.”
My Reply: But it is different. The Roman Pope is THE point of unity for you. As long as one pays lip service to the Pope’s authority or actually submits to it, the Nuns on the Bus and the FSSP can come to the same altar rail. This is mystifying.
“It’s a reference to a quote from Pope John XXIII, the pope that opened Vatican II, talking ABOUT Vatican II… ”
My Reply: I know where the quote came from. Unfortunately when you opened the window you let all kinds of other stuff in.
“You were stating the the Lord has blessed the Orthodox Church. I was merely stating He’s clearly blessed the Catholic Church too.”
My Reply: Very well.