Females- proper dress still alive?


#1

Yes, the issue of modesty comes up in scripture about braided hair and necklesses. Wouldn’t it be shockingly corrupt if a woman was able to wear a bikini or even a thong in Jesus’ day? Obviously this has become the norm in this culture. Women are beautiful but if they wear revealing clothes with the INTENT to tempt a man are they not responsible for their actions? Of course if a man runs with his lust he is resposible too.

Females-- short tight shorts, bikinis, thongs, low cut blouses, mini skirts. For what reason are they worn? Should Christian women not wear them? I just want to get a female perspective because I was on another thread and wasn’t getting a large female response.


#2

They might also ask you the same about the speedo.


#3

[quote="tomarin, post:2, topic:282258"]
They might also ask you the same about the speedo.

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Yes and..


#4

[quote="johnnyjones, post:1, topic:282258"]
Yes, the issue of modesty comes up in scripture about braided hair and necklesses. Wouldn't it be shockingly corrupt if a woman was able to wear a bikini or even a thong in Jesus' day? Obviously this has become the norm in this culture. Women are beautiful but if they wear revealing clothes with the INTENT to tempt a man are they not responsible for their actions? Of course if a man runs with his lust he is resposible too.

Females-- short tight shorts, bikinis, thongs, low cut blouses, mini skirts. For what reason are they worn? Should Christian women not wear them? I just want to get a female perspective because I was on another thread and wasn't getting a large female response.

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I don't think they should wear them to church!


#5

How do you feel about them as they apply to modesty?


#6

[quote="CHRISTINE77, post:4, topic:282258"]
I don't think they should wear them to church!

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Definitely not! The benches can be quite cold in some Churches and there might be splinters to. ;)


#7

[quote="johnnyjones, post:1, topic:282258"]
Yes, the issue of modesty comes up in scripture about braided hair and necklesses. Wouldn't it be shockingly corrupt if a woman was able to wear a bikini or even a thong in Jesus' day? Obviously this has become the norm in this culture. Women are beautiful but if they wear revealing clothes with the INTENT to tempt a man are they not responsible for their actions? Of course if a man runs with his lust he is resposible too.

Females-- short tight shorts, bikinis, thongs, low cut blouses, mini skirts. For what reason are they worn? Should Christian women not wear them? I just want to get a female perspective because I was on another thread and wasn't getting a large female response.

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How is this related to Popular Media?


#8

[quote="tomarin, post:5, topic:282258"]
How do you feel about them as they apply to modesty?

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Oh, self reflection. I don't like the looks of them and have never worn one so I can't comment on how I would feel wearing one. They seem a bit revealing, similar to a bikini bottom. I have never personally known anyone that wore one so I can't comment on a motive as well. There may be one, or it may just be comfort. I wouldn't advise Christian men to wear them.


#9

[quote="tomarin, post:2, topic:282258"]
They might also ask you the same about the speedo.

[/quote]

A speedo has never inspired lust.


#10

[quote="BlueEyedLady, post:9, topic:282258"]
A speedo has never inspired lust.

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But laughter, well now that's a whole other story....


#11

It's a complicated problem.

First, there is a lot of improper dress out there for men.

Low-rise tattered jeans, wife-beaters, T-shirts full of X-rated sayings, mesh jerseys, tight tight pants. . .

The idea of proper dress and the idea of modest dress are not 100% entwined.

A "proper" dress for a butcher might entail a bloody apron at work. .but that would certainly not be 'modest' dress. It might cover his body but it would certainly cause some squeamishnes if he wore it to go to a concert.

Also a 'proper' outfit for a fisherman in the Caribbean could be a wet suit. Covers everything but tightly, and certainly not 'proper' at Mass, or even walking through the local store or going to the movies. . .

Now, moving to the idea of short shorts, minis, etc. for women.

I'm old enough to have, as a preteen and teen, worn the original minis, and had the figure then to look good. That's why we wore them THEN: They were 'the fashion', they made us 'look good' as magazines, media, and MEN were quick to tell us. The girls who weren't the right 'shape' wore shapeless dowdy things and nobody wanted to be a dowd!

Time went on and the 'fashions' spread. You couldn't find 'cute' (i.e., 'daring') clothes in the regular stores first, .,then they spread, first into small 'junior' sections.

NOW you can't walk into a store without finding it full of nothing BUT 'fashion'. If the fashion is for tops that look 2 sizes too small, that is basically ALL you will find except for the cheap, poorly made, 'oversized' and unisex type looking SWEAT SUITS or Ts.

And not only are they sized for the 'slim'. . .they are sized now for the size 5X! And for the infants and toddlers!

Our babies MUST wear bikinis that say, "your girlfriend is jealous of me", "Too $$ for you".

It's not about showing off a 'fashionably slim' body now. The stuff gets made, big business makes you pay for it whether you actually look decent in it (and a lot of stuff nobody even looks attractive in any more!), and tough luck for you, ladies. You get sneered at if you don't want to wear what some anonymous 'designer' wants to design in order to get personally rich on YOUR bodies.

And a big problem is that people don't WANT to be made to feel that ANY occasion (Mass, going to a nice restaurant, even just going to the store) should be something that requires anything other than wearing what is 'comfortable'. What they are 'used to wearing.

And for 30-40 years, American women have become USED to wearing clothing that has become more and more aimed at utilitarian "Trash". Women who have spent 30 years wearing 'the latest style' keep on wearing it. Thongs are WICKED UNCOMFORTABLE but millions of women actually have convinced themselves, because they 'look good', that they ARE comfortable. Low cut shirts are often too thin as well, but because women have worn them for decades, shivering and catching cold but oh how GOOD they look and why wear a DOWDY COAT--they will keep on wearing those low cut skimpy shirts. And minis. Etc. etc.

And they will wear 'fashion' everywhere and insist that it's 'comfortable', looks good, and is perfectly APPROPRIATE. After all, they've worn it for years. Their moms wore it. They let their children wear it.

It would be embarassing to admit that they have let themselves oh so slowly grow accustomed to cheap, trashy, downright disgusting outfits, and that all the time they thought they looked hot, they looked. . . ugly. Like pieces of 'meat' garnished to show off only the 'cuts' (Bosom, thighs, etc.) that have been 'deemed' to be their MAIN ATTRACTIONS.

Women are so 'equal' now. Equally packed. . .infants and grannies. . .into packages that showcase the parts of their bodies related to sexual activity. Because that's what a woman is judged on. . .

At first, the 'hot' woman was the one who let her bosom show.

Now, women are EXPECTED to let their bosoms show, at all ages. Not to 'look good', but because it is EXPECTED of them. They are women, they need to 'show' they are women. . .and that is most obvious when a woman's secondary sexual charactistic areas are 'showcased.'

Mind you I am not laying all the blame on men. There were plenty of women designers, models, and women themselves, who bought into the hype and started looking on other women as 'the enemy' (men of course were the enemy too, but it was a woman's duty to land a man, even if she despised him, so long as she could 'take him' from another woman, and show that other woman that SHE was the power! )

We've built a culture of emasculated men, backstabbing women, parents who abrogate their responsibility, and angst-ridden lost souled children, and oh my, we have, in the name of 'being ourselves', dressed for it. . .in all our tarty, tawdry, slobby glory.


#12

[quote="Luna_Lovecraft, post:7, topic:282258"]
How is this related to Popular Media?

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Good point, it may have fit better in another category.


#13

[quote="Tantum_ergo, post:11, topic:282258"]
It's a complicated problem.

At first, the 'hot' woman was the one who let her bosom show.

Now, women are EXPECTED to let their bosoms show, at all ages. Not to 'look good', but because it is EXPECTED of them. They are women, they need to 'show' they are women. . .and that is most obvious when a woman's secondary sexual charactistic areas are 'showcased.'

.

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Sad, because so many women get breast cancer these days, and then they feel like a castrated man when they get them removed.


#14

[quote="Tantum_ergo, post:11, topic:282258"]
It's a complicated problem.

First, there is a lot of improper dress out there for men.

Low-rise tattered jeans, wife-beaters, T-shirts full of X-rated sayings, mesh jerseys, tight tight pants. . .

The idea of proper dress and the idea of modest dress are not 100% entwined.

A "proper" dress for a butcher might entail a bloody apron at work. .but that would certainly not be 'modest' dress. It might cover his body but it would certainly cause some squeamishnes if he wore it to go to a concert.

Also a 'proper' outfit for a fisherman in the Caribbean could be a wet suit. Covers everything but tightly, and certainly not 'proper' at Mass, or even walking through the local store or going to the movies. . .

Now, moving to the idea of short shorts, minis, etc. for women.

I'm old enough to have, as a preteen and teen, worn the original minis, and had the figure then to look good. That's why we wore them THEN: They were 'the fashion', they made us 'look good' as magazines, media, and MEN were quick to tell us. The girls who weren't the right 'shape' wore shapeless dowdy things and nobody wanted to be a dowd!

Time went on and the 'fashions' spread. You couldn't find 'cute' (i.e., 'daring') clothes in the regular stores first, .,then they spread, first into small 'junior' sections.

NOW you can't walk into a store without finding it full of nothing BUT 'fashion'. If the fashion is for tops that look 2 sizes too small, that is basically ALL you will find except for the cheap, poorly made, 'oversized' and unisex type looking SWEAT SUITS or Ts.

And not only are they sized for the 'slim'. . .they are sized now for the size 5X! And for the infants and toddlers!

Our babies MUST wear bikinis that say, "your girlfriend is jealous of me", "Too $$ for you".

It's not about showing off a 'fashionably slim' body now. The stuff gets made, big business makes you pay for it whether you actually look decent in it (and a lot of stuff nobody even looks attractive in any more!), and tough luck for you, ladies. You get sneered at if you don't want to wear what some anonymous 'designer' wants to design in order to get personally rich on YOUR bodies.

And a big problem is that people don't WANT to be made to feel that ANY occasion (Mass, going to a nice restaurant, even just going to the store) should be something that requires anything other than wearing what is 'comfortable'. What they are 'used to wearing.

And for 30-40 years, American women have become USED to wearing clothing that has become more and more aimed at utilitarian "Trash". Women who have spent 30 years wearing 'the latest style' keep on wearing it. Thongs are WICKED UNCOMFORTABLE but millions of women actually have convinced themselves, because they 'look good', that they ARE comfortable. Low cut shirts are often too thin as well, but because women have worn them for decades, shivering and catching cold but oh how GOOD they look and why wear a DOWDY COAT--they will keep on wearing those low cut skimpy shirts. And minis. Etc. etc.

And they will wear 'fashion' everywhere and insist that it's 'comfortable', looks good, and is perfectly APPROPRIATE. After all, they've worn it for years. Their moms wore it. They let their children wear it.

It would be embarassing to admit that they have let themselves oh so slowly grow accustomed to cheap, trashy, downright disgusting outfits, and that all the time they thought they looked hot, they looked. . . ugly. Like pieces of 'meat' garnished to show off only the 'cuts' (Bosom, thighs, etc.) that have been 'deemed' to be their MAIN ATTRACTIONS.

Women are so 'equal' now. Equally packed. . .infants and grannies. . .into packages that showcase the parts of their bodies related to sexual activity. Because that's what a woman is judged on. . .

At first, the 'hot' woman was the one who let her bosom show.

Now, women are EXPECTED to let their bosoms show, at all ages. Not to 'look good', but because it is EXPECTED of them. They are women, they need to 'show' they are women. . .and that is most obvious when a woman's secondary sexual charactistic areas are 'showcased.'

Mind you I am not laying all the blame on men. There were plenty of women designers, models, and women themselves, who bought into the hype and started looking on other women as 'the enemy' (men of course were the enemy too, but it was a woman's duty to land a man, even if she despised him, so long as she could 'take him' from another woman, and show that other woman that SHE was the power! )

We've built a culture of emasculated men, backstabbing women, parents who abrogate their responsibility, and angst-ridden lost souled children, and oh my, we have, in the name of 'being ourselves', dressed for it. . .in all our tarty, tawdry, slobby glory.

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WoW! Informative.


#15

[quote="BlueEyedLady, post:9, topic:282258"]
A speedo has never inspired lust.

[/quote]

:D


#16

[quote="johnnyjones, post:1, topic:282258"]
Females-- short tight shorts, bikinis, thongs, low cut blouses, mini skirts. For what reason are they worn? Should Christian women not wear them? I just want to get a female perspective because I was on another thread and wasn't getting a large female response.

[/quote]

First of all, if everyone else around you (say, the beach) is wearing a bikini, it's not really immodest to wear one yourself. You blend into the crowd, and are not drawing undue attention to yourself. In that scenario, you wear a bikini to look normal. Nothing more sinister than that.

In a different scenario, though, the answer is - Attention. If you get noticed, you get to meet people. You also get asked out on dates. A guy can't appreciate your intellect if he doesn't notice your existence.

And by the way, I think thongs are comfortable. I wear them to church all the time. Now, I wear something OVER them, so no one knows that's what I'm wearing.


#17

[quote="JharekCarnelian, post:6, topic:282258"]
Definitely not! The benches can be quite cold in some Churches and there might be splinters to. ;)

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I can only laugh at the people who go to such extreme examples. Sad to say, they'll ignore you when you tell them a nun at the local arcade draws the same amount of attention. :rolleyes:


#18

I guess my point is, why should modest dress be an exclusively female concern? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, right?


#19

[quote="tomarin, post:18, topic:282258"]
I guess my point is, why should modest dress be an exclusively female concern? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

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I don't think it is strictly a female concern, although one may question the equal attraction factor based on skin revealing. You could start a thread asking males the question I asked, right?


#20

You know what’s funny (I mean in an ironic sort of way). I was telling my daughter to pull her pants up the other day (she’s only 7). I always have to tell her that a lot because even little kids’ jeans are cut so low. I turned to a 20-year-old next to me (I know her) and said, “honestly, I don’t know why they make little kids clothes like that, they want to play, not show their little mermaid underwear.” And she agreed! She said she hates buying jeans because they are all so low cut and she has to go to several stores to find “decent” ones (and this young lady is very much a secular type of girl). She’s resorted to buying boys shirts because they are long enough and she can do thing like volunteer tree planting or going to class without feeling like she’s exposing herself.

Anyway, when I think of it, mostly hear women complain about low cut jeans–no one seems to like them or think they are cute but a very few. I haven’t bought new jeans in years simply because I am waiting for “normal ones” to come back to the stores.

And jeans are just an example! I have so many old, ratty looking clothes because it’s so hard to find “decent” stuff in my price range (I shop at Kohls mainly… sometimes K-mart).

I have to wonder how many women actually dislike the the latest fashions. I wonder if someone opened a store with modest (but not frumpy–stuff like princess cut dresses, normal waist jeans, bathing suits that are cut stylish but not with plunging necklines and super high cut thighs) clothes if it would be a hit. I know I would shop there. I want to dress like a 30-years-old, not a 20-year-old (and it sounds like some 20-year-olds would agree).


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