I wanted to make this list of arguments for praying to the saints and angels because I think it’s very useful to have a single “reference-sheet” for discussions where you are dealing with Protestants. This page has passages where prayers are made to the angels and saints and passages that support the concept in secondary ways.1) “Bless the Lord, O you his angels” (Psalms 103:20) “Bless the Lord, all his hosts” (Psalms 103:21) “Praise him, all his angels” – “Praise him, all his host” (Psalms 148:1-2) “Rejoice over her, O heaven, O saints and apostles and prophets.” (Revelation 18:20)These verses show that we can address the saints and angels in heaven when we pray. The difference between the prayer, “Bless the Lord, all his hosts” and “Pray for me, all his hosts” is only the difference between two kinds of prayer. Either way you are addressing the people in heaven, it’s just that if you pray the first way, you’re asking the saints to pray with you, and if you pray the second way, you’re asking the saints to pray for you.2) “[T]he twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb…[with] incense, which [is] the prayers of the saints.” (Revelation 5:8) “And another angel came…and he was given much incense to [offer] with the prayers of all the saints.” (Revelation 8:3)These verses tell us two things about the saints in heaven. First, they have our prayers and they bring them before God. This shows that they’ve received them. The “incense” of prayer rises to the saints according to this passage. That shows the saints being prayed to at the very least by some people. Second, the saints in heaven are praying about our prayers. People don’t fall down before God for nothing. Rev. 8:3 makes this clearer by saying that incense-prayer from heaven was added to the incense-prayer from earth. This shows us that the saints in heaven add their prayers to ours. Therefore, they receive our prayers, present them to God, and join their prayers to ours.3) “[Jacob] strove with the angel and prevailed, [then] he wept and sought his favor.” (Hosea 12:4) “[T]he angel who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads.” (Genesis 48:16)These passages show angels being prayed to. Jacob prayed to an angel for his favor and then later asks him to bless his children. The Hosea passage is clarified by Genesis 32:24-29, where Jacob says to the angel, “I will not let you go, unless you bless me.” Some people argue that the angel was actually God because in verse 30 Jacob says, “I have seen God face to face,” but Hosea 12:4 says it was an angel. Genesis 32:30 could mean that Jacob thought the angel was God, or understood that angels bear with them the real presence of God. It is also significant that God has no body. That means the reference to His face is symbolic. It refers to God’s presence.4) “[A]t your right hand stands the queen in gold of Ophir. Hear, O daughter, consider, and incline your ear; forget your people and your father’s house; and the king will desire your beauty. Since he is your lord, bow to him; the people of Tyre will sue your favor with gifts, the richest of the people with all kinds of wealth.” (Psalms 45:9-13)This passage is in a messianic psalm and discusses the woman who will stand at the right hand of the Messiah. The woman is Mary and it says specifically that the people of faraway nations “will sue [her] favor with gifts.” This passage shows us that Mary can be prayed to, but it’s also significant because it is a prophecy that is only fulfilled in the Catholic Church. Protestant churches don’t even claim that there is a woman who all the nations seek for her favor, but the Bible says there would be, and she would stand at the right hand of the Messiah.5) “Grace to you and peace from him who is, and was, and is to come, and from the seven spirits which are before his throne.” (Revelation 1:4)In this passage St. John invokes a blessing upon the churches in Asia. He did not only invoke grace from God, but from angels. An invocation is a form of prayer which calls down a blessing on someone. In this passage he calls it down from God and seven angels, which shows us a prayer to the angels.
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Why would you pray to anyone else? Why seek out an intermediary when Christ told us to go directly to him? Christ is enough. He’s all you need, not all this other background noise of saints and statues and angels.
Because Jesus gave us an example, he performed His first Miracle at His Mother’s request.
Plus he didn’t die just for you, he died for everyone, that’s why if you read in chapter 17 of John the whole chapter says, let them be 1 as you and I are one, this is when he speaks to the Father. The Bible is never about “me”, God has always made it about us.
Plus in Ephesians 5:23-32, we see that Jesus married the church and became one with the church. So the church, which is the Catholic Church, follows Jesus footsteps.
ANd what does this have to do with praying to entities other than Christ? Again, why bother with intermediaries, secondary sources if you have the real deal in Jesus Christ you can and should turn to again and again. I pray to him. Do you believe if I spend my who life praying only to him I am less of a Catholic, less of a Christian, and have made it more difficult for myself to make it to eternal salvation? It’s actually the opposite.
So what is your problem with asking for the help of Mary, the apostles, the early Christian who the church sees as saints? Once again you have the mentality of a Protestant just me and god, direct line. But Jesus, set up ways to reach him. He set up the church, with priests, and bishops, and a pope. He did this for us and it’s a humble thing to say, hey I’m part of a team.
Yes, Jesus set up a way to reach him. It’s called going to him. He died for us. He said I am the way. That is more than enough for me. That’s my “team.”
I’m sure you don’t mean to argue there’s something wrong with that.
So if God, set us up,to be islands as you say, why in revelations do we see angels and saints taking our prayers to God? Why does the writer of Hebrews say that we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses in Hebrews 12:1?
Yes you can speak to God, but he also said that and he demonstrated that he likes it when we help each other out, especially through prayer. You can’t argue against that either.
But again, even if saints and apparitions and god knows who else (maybe I’ll ask Saint Norbert), are there to send prayers to God, why do I need to turn to ho if I can speak directly to God. He never said I can’t and wants me to, so I will go directly to him.
Too much peripheral stuff going on here that gives faith a muddled picture.
I think some people are going to the extreme of “we must pray to saints and angels.” Well, we don’t HAVE to. We can if we want to. But we can also pray directly to God. Nobody has to pray to saints but one must pray to God. At least that’s how I see it. I’m not advocating the Protestant position. I’m just making the point that you really don’t have to pray to saints…
You are absolutely correct. Of course, the argument that we should pray only to God because we need no intermediary is slightly flawed. Unless of course someone has never asked a friend or relative to pray for him in times of distress.
Personally, my prayers tend to be directed to God. I will, however, ask for my guardian angel or St. Michael to protect me from time to time. If someone finds fault with this, then they should also never ask a friend for help with anything, because to do so would by hypocritical.
Not slightly flawed. Our lords prayer is the perfect prayer.if others want to pray it with me they r welcome to. And that is more than enough.
Now you seem to be saying that you only pray the Lord’s Prayer, which I find hard to believe.
It is very profitable for us to invoke the intercession of the saints and the Blessed Virgin Mary. There are countless saints who grew rapidly in holiness as a result of their devotion to Our Lady in particular. She, who is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, helps us to become like her Son.
Lagrange writes: “… even some Catholics do not see clearly enough how expedient it is to have recourse to the Blessed Virgin in order to enter the intimacy of Christ. As St. Grignion de Montfort says, they know Mary “only in a speculative, dry, fruitless, indifferent manner. … They fear that devotion toward her is abused and that injury is done to our Lord by paying excessive honor to His holy Mother. … If they speak of devotion to Mary, it is less to recommend it than to destroy the abuses of it.” They seem to consider Mary “a hindrance in reaching Divine union,” whereas all her influence is exercised in order to lead us to it. It would be just as sensible to say that the holy Curé of Ars was a hindrance to his parishioners in their progress toward God …Intimacy with our Lord in prayer will be greatly facilitated by frequent recourse to Mary…” (Excerpt from ‘The Three Ages of the Interior Life’)
It is difficult to adequately defend the truth of these words without writing a short thesis, so instead I will post a link to some great works on Our Lady:
ewtn.com/library/THEOLOGY/MARY523.HTM (‘Our Lady in Doctrine and Devotion’ by Fr. William G. Most)
ecatholic2000.com/lagrange/saviour/mother.shtml (‘The Mother of Our Saviour and Our Interior Life’ by Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange)
Some people after they have sinned are too ashamed to seek Jesus Christ. After that comes despair, loss of Hope and complete abandonment.
That same person may feel that asking Mary, a Saint or an Angel to pray to God on their behalf a lot easier and afterwards they are more likely to reconcile with Him.
Some people see God as a disciplinarian and that causes fear, intercession is like someone standing beside you when approach Him, you don’t feel so alone.
I myself pray to Him directly a lot but I also like intercession.
Because I think there is evidence that Jesus wants to answer some prayers only if we ask them through the power of intercession. Why do you think He gave us intercessory prayer if He doesn’t want us to use it?
Why seek out an intermediary when Christ told us to go directly to him? Christ is enough.
Jesus is the one who has shown us the power of intercessory prayer by answers prayers when His saints are petitioned. Why would you not do what Jesus wants us to do?
He’s all you need, not all this other background noise of saints and statues and angels.
I think there is good evidence that the saints and statues and angels glorify God. Why do you think they are background noise?
No, but I believe you are less of a Catholic if you deny that people can pray to Saints because intercession of the Saints is a teaching of the Catholic Church.
With eternal salvation, I’d say while praying to them is not necessary, it could help as at judgement they could plead your case maybe maybe Our Lady might be your unfailing lawyer, but of course only if you ask her to be in this life.