Flying with new TSA regulations scanners/pat-downs


#1

Any thoughts, suggestions, ideas? We will probably be flying some time these holidays.

I'm pregnant, we have little kids...


#2

Depends on where you are flying from and to.

Most airports don't have the full body scanners yet. So, it's business as usual with the Xray for your stuff and the metal detector for you.

If the airport has a scanner, you walk through it.

Not sure what kind of suggestions you are looking for.


#3

I wouldn't have a problem with the scans, nor would I have an issue with my kids (even if they were not grown) or my wife (even if she were pregnant).

Peace

Tim


#4

[quote="Orogeny, post:3, topic:220005"]
I wouldn't have a problem with the scans, nor would I have an issue with my kids (even if they were not grown) or my wife (even if she were pregnant).

Peace

Tim

[/quote]

Kids under 12 will not get a pat down according to the TSA.


#5

If you're from Middle Eastern descent, then you'll have no problem because they're not allowed to profile you. If you're white and blond, get to the airport a couple of hours early.


#6

[quote="Onedayatatime, post:4, topic:220005"]
Kids under 12 will not get a pat down according to the TSA.

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Do you know when this was announced? There was a piece no the news with a little 3-yo freaking out because she was being patted down.

If I am in an airport with the scanners I would much rather go through the scanner rather than being patted down.


#7

Serious suggestions if you do fly:

  • Check your bags, limit carryons to absolutely one item each, if children are going, their carryon bag should be small enough to handle by themself
  • Wear long pants, like jeans, with tough fabric, even the girls - this is to provide more comfort and protection in case of the frisk
  • Wear a shirt with a pocket (for your boarding pass when you go through security)
  • Tuck your shirt in
  • Wear clothes that fit, not baggy, "gangsta" style - baggy causes extra "frisking"
  • Put your toiletries in 1-quart ziplock, nothing over 5 ozs liquid or gel, put the ziplock on outer pocket of your carryon
  • Bring food for the kids (cause airplane food costs and tastes bad)
  • BUT, don't bring liquid, semi-liquid, or gelatinous food (like pudding cups) because they will confiscate it (unless you can find an 5 oz pudding cup and want to argue about it)
  • If you really have to have your stroller, please please please fold that sucker and be prepared to run it through the metal detector, keep nothing in that stroller but the baby, extra junk slows you down, being slow leads to a search (my theory)
  • Wear loafers or shoes you can hop out of easily
  • Don't wear a lot of metal jewelry, necklaces, etc.
  • Don't wear a belt, or put it in carryon
  • Don't wear a hat or put it in carryon
  • Put your watch, keys, cell phone and other metal objects in your carryon
  • Do keep your ID (DL or Passport) in your front pants pocket (remember, you are wearing jeans)
  • All electronics go through the metal detector (hint: kids like to bring their vide games, don't forget it)
  • Please, please, please, put your laptop in a separate bin WITH NOTHING ELSE in the bin
  • Please please please DO NOT put your shoes in a bin, just stick them on the belt
  • Buy your ticket online and check in online in advance
  • Check your bags curbside if possible
  • Everything but you, your ID and your boarding pass goes through the metal detector
  • Have your children go through the detector before you where you can see them and they can see you
  • Tell your children what to expect beforehand: "You need to go through the metal detector, turn right and wait for me at the end of the detector. Follow the instructions of the security guy... etc."
  • Look totally bored, be totally calm
  • If you look like you are just doing your job, you will not raise hackles with the security people, they will stay calm too
  • If you do all of the above, you should get through the metal detector on the first go, which in my view lessens the chance of subsequent search and pat down
  • If you have a choice, I would go for the "nudie-cam" rather than get frisked, Sure, maybe someone is laughing at your physique, or having lacivious thoughts, but at the end of the day that is their problem, the touching is really over the top, in my view
  • Good luck ! Safe travels.

#8

Radiate me, but don't touch my junk.


#9

I don't like either of the choices. I don't want radiation on me or someone seeing me naked other than my husband, even if it isn't super detailed. But I also don't want someone groping me. It's annoying. Really, I think that if someone is determined to get on the plane and harm others they will figure out a way that TSA doesn't have something for. So soon enough we'll all have to be strip searched and cavity searched :rolleyes:


#10

This is directed to the "Forum Master" on this subject. Apparently you keep yourself buried away from what's happening in this corrupt world. I'm sure that the writer is referring to the widely publicized new TSA procedure. This is where any TSA agent, at his or her own discretion, can actually grope a man's genetals or any of a woman's private parts. And, please also recognize that these airport agents are not, themselves, screened to any great extent. Please respond to that element of the "searching".


#11

[quote="JHow, post:7, topic:220005"]
...or having lacivious thoughts...

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"Your Xray...is really HOT. Join me at the Airport bar?"

:D


#12

If a smaller, regional airport is available to you, they likely won't get the equipment for some years. Thus, their particular rules will likely lag to match. Unfortunately, those airports often cost much more to fly to/from and have more stops

For example: If I were to fly from the nearest airport to the one nearest my folks, it would run around $725, roundtrip (including fees) and be on at least 3 planes. If instead, I chose the major airports (1 hour away from each of us), the cost would only be only about $275, nonstop. That's just for one person.

Of course, there are also buses, trains, etc.


#13

[quote="Barbkw, post:11, topic:220005"]
"Your Xray...is really HOT. Join me at the Airport bar?"

:D

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Well, in all actuality you could have a pedophile back there looking at the children's nude scans. Of course it's not as in depth as an actual photograph, but it's disturbing to me nonetheless. I believe that in the UK, they do not scan children due to child pornography laws. And well, there's always the possibility that the worker brings in a camera with them to store the photos even though the computer with the photos doesn't store them. There's too many unknowns.


#14

I know that I've been eating right and hitting the weights hard to get ready for my big debut. :rolleyes:


#15

[quote="KostyaJMJ, post:14, topic:220005"]
I know that I've been eating right and hitting the weights hard to get ready for my big debut. :rolleyes:

[/quote]

Will debut fit or will debut not fit in the airplane seat, that is the question. :)


#16

[quote="Barbkw, post:11, topic:220005"]
"Your Xray...is really HOT. Join me at the Airport bar?"

:D

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You will note that I proposed two possibilities here:

"...maybe someone is laughing at your physique, or having lacivious thoughts..."

That comment was more for the OP, whom I can only assume is a proper lady, and modest. Me, personally, I'm at an age where it just doesn't upset me all that much, but I fully agree with women who don't like this - they should not have to go through this.


#17

[quote="Orogeny, post:3, topic:220005"]
I wouldn't have a problem with the scans, nor would I have an issue with my kids (even if they were not grown) or my wife (even if she were pregnant).

Peace

Tim

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Then we have really become a nation of sheep...

There won't be any hard data on long-term effects of these body-scan machines for decades, by which time it may be too late.

diagnosticimaging.com/safety/content/article/113619/1521147

The fact that many TSA agents are minimally educated doesn't fill me with confidence that the technology would even be used correctly. Add to that the fact that images can, indeed, be stored and shared, and I will never consent to one of those scans.

When one considers that Israel - with probably the most stringent security measures in the world - doesn't use these scanners because they aren't deemed effective, it should give us all pause.

We all need to lobby for truly intelligent and effective screening procedures; that is not what we currently have, by a long shot.


#18

[quote="JHow, post:16, topic:220005"]
You will note that I proposed two possibilities here:

That comment was more for the OP, whom I can only assume is a proper lady, and modest. Me, personally, I'm at an age where it just doesn't upset me all that much, but I fully agree with women who don't like this - they should not have to go through this.

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For those who wish to avoid the Nude - O - Scan machines, here is a helpful link:

flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security/1138014-complete-list-airports-whole-body-imaging-advanced-imaging-technology-scanner.html


#19

JHow has some good advice for getting through the line in general.

Last time I flew, though, they were limiting liquids/gels to 3oz containers, not 5, so you may want to check that before you go. If you have baby formula/milk, you're allowed to bring more of that. Also medicine/medical-like-stuff (contact solution, for example) is not limited.

Some airports tell you put shoes on the belt, others say put them in the bin. This actually varies by airport (to confuse the terrorists, so they don't know 100% what to expect, supposedly), and if you pick the wrong one, you will probably get yelled at. Watch what the people in front of you are doing with their shoes, and do that.

Personally, I feel more comfortable putting keys, phone, etc. in my coat pocket than the carryon. They're easier to get at if you need them before/after you go through the line, and if you store them all in there you don't have to worry about forgetting something before you go through the metal detector-just put the coat in the bin, and you're good to go.

As for the new scanners/groping...er...pat-downs, I don't really know what to say. I won't go through the machine. Only my husband gets to see me completely naked, and I have not yet been convinced they're safe. The new pat-down...well...my biggest concern with that is that my reaction to getting grabbed somewhere I shouldn't be might be to smack the person (it's happened once before, he got smacked). I've had the "normal" pat-down before, it was annoying but not bad. I've heard some pretty bad horror stories about the "enhanced" ones.

The TSA has been saying recently that children under 12 are not supposed to get the enhanced pat-downs. If you don't opt out of the scanner, and don't set off the metal detector, you likely won't have to worry about the pat-downs, though. Be aware if you opt for the scanner (or, more likely, get selected and don't say no), and the image doesn't come out perfect, they will give you a pat-down.

I'm just hoping they don't try to make me go through the new scanner when I travel for the holidays, so I don't have to worry about any of the crazy.


#20

As a flight crew member, I think these measures are insane. The pilot can easily pitch the nose over or cut the engines off and crash the aircraft. Egyptair Flight 990 taught us that even when one flight crewmember tries to prevent another from crashing the aircraft intentionally, he cannot do so through control inputs. Point being, there comes a time when all you can do is trust and have faith that nothing will happen.

The chances of a hijacking are nil due to the cockpit doors and passengers that would surely fight back.

Bombings have proven unsuccessful. The shoe and crotch bombers could not detonate their explosives because it was impossible to discretely ignite the explosives. It might be able to happen on a less full flight but than again terrorists want a high body count that can only come from a fuller flight.

I think we need to profile. Name me any non-Muslim in the past 15 years that has tried to bomb or hijack an aircraft? It may be harsh but it needs to be done. If German terrorists start to hijack and bomb planes, then they can join that list. Until then, its time we took the El Al approach and profile.

I dont think profiling would work in the exact way the EL AL does it. In America, many people check in for flights by online check-in and never get to the airline counter. This means the security has to be done at the checkpoint. I think that with a little common sense and better training, we can have a modified Israeli system to meet our needs.

If we cant trust pilots and flight attendants or old grandmothers, we have a broken system or a broken nation.

All the airline unions are starting to ask for employees to opt for the pat down so thats what I am going to do for now.


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