"For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."

This quote is taken from the CCC, paragraph 460, which states:

460 The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:“For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.” “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.” “The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods.”

This is somewhat confusing to me. Did Christ become man so that we might become a *son * of God, or God Himself? The last statement reminded me somewhat of the Mormon doctrine about men becoming gods, and thus I was surprised to find it in the cathecism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the “whole Christ” (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God’s grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does “head and members” mean? Christ and the Church.
Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: “About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they’re just one thing, and we shouldn’t complicate the matter.”

When I read this, the statement “we have become Christ” made perfect sense to me, and then I wondered if perhaps that is what was meant back in paragraph 460. I am still confused as to what it means when it states that we might become gods, so I wanted to see if anyone could clarify this for me so that I may better understand my Faith and also to be able to explain it to others. Thank you so much for your help!

This is entirely scriptural. When reading the Catechism, it is almost always instructive to read the footnotes and cross-references to the section read. When you look it up for this section you find 2 Peter 1:4 which says:

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His divine power has bestowed on us everything that makes for life and devotion, through the knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and power. )
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Through these, he has bestowed on us the precious and very great promises, so that through them you may come to share in the divine nature, after escaping from the corruption that is in the world because of evil desire.

As we grow in sanctification in this life, we partake more and more in the divine live. When we finally live in heaven, we will have this in it’s fullness, according to our capacity. It doesn’t mean we are equal to God, or even “gods,” but that we will share in His life.

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

[quote=Daniel Marsh]Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
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Right! We aren’t going to replace God by partaking of his divine life, but be totally joined with him. That is what has already happened to Mary and the saints–they are so taken up into the divinity of God that they cannot do or will anything that he would not do or will. Does that help?

Here a a couple of sites which help explain this topic. Just remember, we don’t become Gods or gods. There always has been one God and never will be more than one God.

home.nyc.rr.com/mysticalrose/grace3.html#Top

Also regarding St. Basil the Great…

newadvent.org/fathers/3203.htm

I asked a similar question awhile back. I’m sorry I don’t know how to link to threads, but if you do a search in the Apologetics forum and look for a thread started by me (Elzee) titled “CCC paragraph 460 - we become God” there is some additional info there.
(how do I link to a thread/post, by the way?)

Other people’s answers about para 460 follow. I won’t include the Jack Chick response I found! Hope one of these helps:

experts.about.com/q/955/3420766.htm

cpats.org/CPATSAnswerDirectory/Answers_to_Questions/2005_04AprilQuestions/2005AprCanYouExplainThesePortionsOfTheCCC.cfm

nativityukr.org/worship/eastern_spirituality.html

This one has a lot of good information - and introduced me to a word I’ve not heard before. Bookmarked for further reading:

home.nyc.rr.com/mysticalrose/grace3.html

That link gives a lot about the basis of the doctrine in scripture and tradition, shows how it is to be understood, and conversely how it is not to be understood. It should answer all questions about paragraph 460 saying “we become god”.

Waaaa!

I did all my google searching and posted the links.

And then noticed … the same excellent link 2 posts above me!

Sorry about the duplication. But it must mean the mysticalrose site is good. Read it well.

Thank you so much for your replies. You guys sure know your stuff! :thumbsup:

[quote=banjo]Here a a couple of sites which help explain this topic. Just remember, we don’t become Gods or gods. There always has been one God and never will be more than one God.

home.nyc.rr.com/mysticalrose/grace3.html#Top

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WOW! Awesome site - thank-you so much for posting this. Amazing.

Peace

John

[quote=Elzee]I asked a similar question awhile back. I’m sorry I don’t know how to link to threads, but if you do a search in the Apologetics forum and look for a thread started by me (Elzee) titled “CCC paragraph 460 - we become God” there is some additional info there.
(how do I link to a thread/post, by the way?)
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Elzee,

To link to a thread or any other site put your cursor on “address” and left click…the address will turn blue. On the tool bar, click “Edit” and when your options show click “copy.” Go to your post, click “Edit” again and this time click “paste.” As an example: your posted of December 29th can be accessed by clicking on the site below.

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=1196032#post1196032

I hope this helps.

An easier method is to just right click the link and click “Copy Shortcut” and then to left click and click paste.

[quote=banjo]Elzee,

To link to a thread or any other site put your cursor on “address” and left click…the address will turn blue. On the tool bar, click “Edit” and when your options show click “copy.” Go to your post, click “Edit” again and this time click “paste.” As an example: your posted of December 29th can be accessed by clicking on the site below.

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=1196032#post1196032

I hope this helps.
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I like that term… theosis

My RCIA teacher, of whom I have GREAT appreciation for, a wonderful guy with teflon skin for a former Protestant, tells Theosis in this way: When we are Baptised, we become children of God… the adopted children. Our last name becomes “god”. As in any adoption, you do not take on the characteristics (we don’t get the hair, teeth or skin) of our adopted parents, but we get heirship in the family, we get to be called son or daughter, we get a house (home), we get food, clothing, protection, love… Well you get the point…

That is how we can look at adoption by God, we don’t get His divine characteristics but we get home, food, shelter, love and protections… plus all the benefits of family (siblings, mom, dad, etc!)

It’s one of my favorite things about the Catholic Church… when you’re a protestant, you just have Jesus with a smattering of the HS and God the Father, when you are a Catholic, you get mom, dad, brothers, sisters, cousins… :smiley:

AWesome…

[quote=Semper Fi]An easier method is to just right click the link and click “Copy Shortcut” and then to left click and click paste.
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Many thanks, Semper Fi. I appreciate that piece of info.

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