My apologies for losing the thread in which this response belongs. I just can’t find your post, but here’s my response:
[quote=Tom]O.K. this is going to be long, this is a wonderful example of an anti-Catholic.
That’s what I thought – listing theological objections is inherently “anti-Catholic” to you folks – in spite of the fact that “Anti-Catholicism” is irrational hatred which seeks political consequences against Catholics for being Catholic.
First of all yes we, or at least I, do pray to Mary.
OK – that’s all you had to say. The problem with the rest of what you said is that “I pray to Mary” is not the same thing as “I consider Mary to be Blessed”. Having appropriate reverence for Mary is not the same thing as bowing down to her. As for the mention of Revelation, it is too bad posts are limited to 5000 characters. I’d live to walk through the passages that you think say we should offer prayers and worship to Mary in Revelation.
Calling Mary and the saints “dead people” is inflammatory as well as untrue.
That is so sadly un-Catholic in the CCC sense of being Catholic that refuting it seems like a waste of time. I am not denying either a life after death nor am I denying the resurrection: I am denying that those who have passed from the mortal life that ends in death ought to be prayed to. The practice of doing so is called necromancy and idoltray by the OT. Has that changed?
Did Jesus meet with two “dead people” in the garden during the transfiguration? You seem to conveniently forget that Scripture says He is a God of the living, not the dead. Is Moses a “dead person”?
And you want to call me “anti-Catholic” – when you know that this is an equivocation on both the Protestant view of life after death and what Christ was affirming when he called God the God of the living?
Mary, as each of the saints, acts as an intecessor.
That’s fine – if you want to pray to God as an intercessor. That’s what intercession is: praying to God. But when one starts advocating to pray to X to pray to God so God will hear … it’s simply a distortion of what is being done. To equate someone in a group of Christians asking the group to pray for their sick child with bowing one’s head in prayer to pray (you said it was prayer, not some lesser form of communication) to a dead person to intercede … it’s such a sad dismissal of context and circumstance that I simply can’t offer a rebuttal – not seriously. You have to be joking. Talking to a dead saint is exactly like talking to the person in the pew next to you? Who is denying effect and result of the resurrection – the one who says that these people are just like us, or the person who says that someday we will see them when we are like them?
… more to follow …