Hey guys. I’m listening to an ancient faith podcast with fr laurent cleenewerk on orthodox primacy and papacy. It’s a really fair and balanced discussion. Sometimes I feel drawn to Orthodoxy. I’m not a fan of the anti catholic types but when I listen to balanced eccumenical types they make some great points. I’m not sure what to do. I feel like I’ve been hit with a stun gun.
He definitely agrees that the Orthodox believe in a special primacy. What’s different is its application. I listened to a talk by Dr Adam deville who actually confirms what fr cleenewerck says about the reasons for the bishop of Rome having primacy, and he ranks capital of the Empire being the foremost reason and apostolic foundation being third of three reasons ranked in significance. What shocked me is deville, a Deacon, cites pope benedict who made the case for a papacy on a diet, returning to the papacy as exercised in the first millennium in an undivided church. This is around 50 mins
I’ve also heard Dr William Marshner explain that Vatican 1 was disbanded because a war broke out. So Vatican 2 puts the ecclesiology of the church in a more complete perspective to in a sense capture the sense intended in Vatican 1 which was never brought to light because of the circumstances. Vatican 1 by itself seems on the face more monarchical, but lumen gentium seems more in line with orthodox ecclesiology at least from what I gather from the ancient faith podcast.
What the heck do I do? We can’t say these are anti catholic polemics. Pope benedict himself one of the greatest popes said this.
I broke down in tears to my wife after taking this all in last night. We were just received into the Catholic Church. I’m so terrified at the thought of uprooting her again and we’re having our first baby in a month.
Please pray for us.