France's Macron issues 'Republican values' ultimatum to Muslim leaders

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All eyes of the world should be on France!

Yes, this is an important news story. We have so much we are dealing with here but I am curious as to how it would play out. I have seen that quite a few Muslims do not care for this “ultimatum”.

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Nor do I, it reminds me all to much of periods when Catholics have served as easy scapegoats or being forced to sign pledges or do similar things.


Macron is forced to face down Islamists in his country because of Islamist assault on France is murderous and relentless.
Americans and all countries that welcomed these people of this ‘ ideology’ will soon be going through the same struggle France is experiencing. This is a struggle for our Western values and way of life. The fight won’t end with banning caricatures of Mohammed. Macron realizes this as he draws a line in the sand. Macron must do this.


“Our sufferings today are the prelude of those you, Europeans and Western Christians, will also suffer in the near future,” Archbishop Emil Nona told Italian daily Corriere della Sera Aug. 9 (2014) from Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan.

And here we are…only 6 years later…watching…witnessing Archbishop Nona’s prediction come true.


Will they? Plenty of Muslims in my wife’s home city in Russia, didn’t feel overwhelmed living there meself. More overwhelmed before I married my wife by attempts to set me up on a date or two to be honest as most of them are quite secular Muslims. My wife has a fair few members of her family on the extended branches of the tree who are Muslim so I don’t love the bigotry and cheap talk about people of another faith rolling of these posts.

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Self-fulfilling prophecies have a habit of rolling around mate. I can remember them shouted about we Catholics and talk of us being all terrorists and breeding like rabbits and storing guns in our Churches etc. etc.

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Are you familiar with what the Church teaches about Muslims?

Not for lack of anything to say or say in response…I prefer to count down the days of Macron’s deadline and let Macron’s opposition then speak for itself…sadly predictable outcome ahead.

Swinging words like bigotry and scapegoating around together are now notoriously abused words. Macron is defending France and freedoms of speech and more.
The situation there is dire as radical Islam use homeschooling to support grassroot efforts to terrorize. Measures to prevent that strips freedom loving French from homeschooling too…sad


Are you familiar with the goal of the religion of peace. The Koran is clear and history is a good teacher of it

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Non response.

But it certainly has to do with the generalizations about Muslims you’re offering.

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You mean to Macron’s effort of discernment and Archbishop Nona’s clarion message?

No, I mean just what I said.

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Macron and Archbishop Nona are generalizing. So you need to ask a bigger and better question than "do I know what the Church has to say about Muslims’ becauseTHAT is a pretty general question. Also ask why Macron and Archbishop Nona are generalizing. Could it be they know something? Probably yes.


CCC 841-845
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims . "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330

[842](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/842.htm’):wink: The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331

[843](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/843.htm’):wink: The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332

[844](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/844.htm’):wink: In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333

[845](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/845.htm’):wink: To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.334

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“Our sufferings today are the prelude of those you, Europeans and Western Christians, will also suffer in the near future,” Archbishop Emil Nona told Italian daily Corriere della Sera Aug. 9 from Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan.

“I lost my diocese,” he said
“The physical setting of my apostolate has been occupied by Islamic radicals who want us converted or dead. But my community is still alive.”

“try to understand us.”

“Your liberal and democratic principles are worth nothing here. You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims. Also you are in danger. You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles.”

“You think all men are equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal. Your values are not their values.”

“If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home.”

~Archbishop Nona~ 2014

And clearly, the whole of France has been attacked.

If we’ve been attacked again, it’s because of our values: our taste for freedom, the possibility there is here to believe freely and to not give in to any terror. Let me say this very clearly again: we will never give in.

~Emmanuel Jean-Michel Frédéric Macron~2020

Another and better question would be ‘Did St. John the Baptist ever anticipate that his head would be served on a platter.’

Then they are by definition not ‘strong or courageous’ decisions if we betray our principles.

Quite possibly yes given the world he lived in and the message he was conveying, which of course predated Islam by numerous centuries and it was his own co-religionists who put it on a plate.

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The principle he is referring to is the right to protect life…as in battle. The Church understands battle at more than one level.

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